Murnatan

Off topic => Off topic => Topic started by: Lava Croft on March 26, 2014, 02:59:32 PM

Title: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 26, 2014, 02:59:32 PM: I think this is a reasonable suggestion at that.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION:
Post by: MegaMedic on March 26, 2014, 06:59:51 PM: Pfff, let me put a Gas Mask on my face. I can't smell fresh air when I see you.

And about the topic, they are making their own arts, new design, new sounds etc. What is same from Tremulous, it's just: names of structures and aliens, and same powers (they will also add new ones)

You're just a hater which trying to complain about someones work. If you don't like it, please make your own project, and start a competition versus Murnatan (like EDGE started vs RCZ). I'm wating to see this.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: grmg.pl on March 26, 2014, 08:33:21 PM: 1. Lol, Lava being the usual Lava :D
2. Edge didn't start to kill Rcz. Rcz would have been fine if it had NEW stuff like Edge. It didn't - Edge did. That doesn't ofc mean that Yalt didn't got an ego trip out of Edge.
3. You take what you like from Trem and add new stuff to it. Don't use the name Tremulous, trademarked - fine. Don't use the concepts? What's next - don't make a game with "alien team vs human team" in it? To put it in perspective - Trem has blaster, well Quake 2 had blaster too - don't use it. You get the idea.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 26, 2014, 09:39:52 PM: http://www.murnatan.com/ is using Tremulous art assets that the creators of Murnatan are not allowed to use. The one holding the actual rights to these assets is ignored on Twitter, so I decided to post here, catch all the shit thrown at me by a bunch of children and hopefully find a meaningful reply from Rotacak inbetween.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Machine Medic on March 26, 2014, 09:53:50 PM: Quote from: Magma Craft
using Tremulous art assets that the creators of Murnatan are not allowed to use.

We are already well aware of this.

1. - The project has not yet reached commercial state, has not been marketed to an audience, has not earned a dollar, and thus has not violated the original CC-BY-SA.

2. - The only potentially conflicting content currently in this game is on the cover page of the website.

3. - I can guarantee you that Rotacak is already smart enough to know that the art assets on the cover page need to be changed before release, and is probably already planning to do so, but has been more concerned about finishing the damn game first, along with the assets to create new cover art in the process.

4. - Plush Grangers are being sold at-cost with little to no profit, because Rotacak needs a way to get them loving homes other than their originally intended use as Kickstarter rewards. Rotacak needs office space to work in, and that's problematic with 50 adorable plushies sitting on his desk.

If you still have a problem, then file a motion in court. You will loose, and succeed in nothing other than wasting your own money and possibly forcing Rota to change the art a few months earlier.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 26, 2014, 10:04:42 PM: It went from "we aren't using any of the assets" to "we still need to fix the asset problem". It has been several months since the last time this was subject of discussion.

Why is this so hard to fix? I ask this so that people who are not you or your friends can understand your situation a little better and then formulate a proper response.

[EDIT] I know very well that I am talking to someone who is not a part of the development team as listed on the Murnatan website. I acknowledge this makes this whole discussion about as useful as talking to a brick, but any information as to why this problem is so hard to solve is a plus.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 26, 2014, 10:27:23 PM: Since you seem to have edited your post several times and added quite a few words to it, yet failed to answer a simple question, I'll just ask the same question again for the sake of clarity, only a bit more elaborate:

How come the situation concerning the Murnatan website has not changed since the last time this was subject of discussion? It's been quite a few months now and you can't honestly say it's a lot of work to accomplish. Ignoring the obvious lack of willingness to right your wrongs, what really is the problem?
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Machine Medic on March 26, 2014, 10:43:21 PM: Quote from: Lava
How come the situation concerning the Murnatan website has not changed since the last time this was subject of discussion?

Quote from: Machinna
Rotacak[...]is probably already planning to do so, but has been more concerned about finishing the damn game first, along with the assets to create new cover art in the process.

Get glasses.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: grmg.pl on March 26, 2014, 10:46:40 PM: Lava gets a kick out of this attention on him :D

Surely, Murnatan will be modeled after the original Trem and that is good :D. Let certain ppl be envy of "what could have been but isn't". Let them fume and send boiling lava (:D) on the Murnatan devs. The most they can get out of this is a variation of "see - the granger can't look like the Trem granger - it's the law that says it". Big F deal.

Go read mainpage - its' being developed and it's going to get released - and that is the main reason of silliness in the way of "hey dude this is my ex gf you're shagging". Nothing you can do about it now.

Getting the vibe already?

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It's been quite a few months now
Well, the smart thing from the complainer's point of interest would be to wait until the release, then sue the devs for money when they get fat, right? :D
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 26, 2014, 10:55:09 PM: The fact is that is that the game doesn't matter at all at this point. What matters is the use of Tremulous assets on the website and the sale of products that clearly infringe on Tremulous' trademark.

So once again: What's so hard about changing a few images and links on a website? Put some images of the new artwork there instead of Tremulous artwork. It can't possibly be harder than finishing the 'damn game'.

The goal is not to get money from Rotacak and/or his friends in any way. The goal is to make Rotacak and/or his friends stop using Tremulous art assets. Nothing more, nothing less. Claiming otherwise is nothing more than spreading misinformation with the goal of creating strife and drama, while the actual goal should be to fix your mistakes.

"just give it up and be original"

[DISCLAIMER] I acknowledge I might as well talk to a brick, but I try anyway.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: grmg.pl on March 26, 2014, 11:14:19 PM: Personally - I don't care if they sell the granger or not. Why do you care? What's in it for you?

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The goal is to make Rotacak and/or his friends stop using Tremulous art assets. Nothing more, nothing less. Claiming otherwise is nothing more than spreading misinformation with the goal of creating strife and drama, while the actual goal should be to fix your mistakes.
Going with this - why are YOU posting here, not Timbo or Trem devs? Good quote for good question.

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[DISCLAIMER] I acknowledge I might as well talk to a brick, but I try anyway.
Lolnab.
This is a variation of "I don't want to offend you - but you're an a-hole". Say one thing - do the opposite, appear guilt free, so the other side is seen as an offender. Again. Lolnab.

Might I also add - the fuss is about a plushy teddy bear (yay for important stuff) sold for 24 bucks ("Trust me - this is a great deal - said the entrepreneur to the VC").
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 26, 2014, 11:22:12 PM: As I stated in my first reply, Timbo is ignored by Rotacak. I post here because I'm used to flinging poo and because I feel what's happening here is wrong. Timbo has done nothing but give you things, yet not even the simplest gesture of consideration comes from you.

Talking to a brick is about as useful in this situation as talking to people who are not Murnatan developers. It has nothing to do with what I think about you personally, even though I fully understand you want to make this as personal as possible, since that takes the focus away from the actual problem.

Still, no answer. Again: Why is it so hard to change the website and remove the Tremulous stuff?
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: grmg.pl on March 26, 2014, 11:54:22 PM: Quote
I post here because I'm used to flinging poo and because I feel what's happening here is wrong.
Yes, YOU post here because YOU feel. Get a life Lava. As much personal as it gets? :D

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talking to people who are not Murnatan developers
Why the thread on forum, why not PM? Why not a thread by Timbo, why not a PM by him? Why by YOU and not Timbo?

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actual problem
Boo hoo, plushy granger teddy bear, modelled after open source game that has 40 regular players total for last year, being sold for 24$ :)
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 27, 2014, 12:08:01 AM: Still no answer. It must be really hard.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Machine Medic on March 27, 2014, 01:24:30 AM: Quote
The fact is that is that the game doesn't matter at all at this point. What matters is the use of Tremulous assets on the website and the sale of products that clearly infringe on Tremulous' trademark.

Troll alert.

We've already gone over all of everything you've mentioned before, this game is being completely redesigned with it's own original characters and artwork, none of Tremulous' assets will be used in the end game.

If you have a problem with the pace that AAA Games is setting on it's webpage art design, then you can keep crying until everyone else here stops caring, or submit your own work. It won't make much of a difference either way.

I would suggest that this thread be locked on grounds of trolling.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Loki on March 27, 2014, 08:16:21 AM: Being Hyena all the time is pretty much fun, right? Stop being a di.khead throughout the internet.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 27, 2014, 11:19:27 AM: Still no answer as to why it's so hard to remove artwork that you are not allowed to use from your website. You can keep pulling the 'omg its a troll' card all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that the website is still using Tremulous art and it doesn't change the fact that solving this issue is really not that much work.

Let's settle on a serious lack of willingness to use your own work instead of other people's work, even though the other people have asked time and again to stop using their work for your own (commercial) project.

[EDIT] For your convenience, I will link to some Murnatan art that you can use to replace the Tremulous art on the website:

The Egg (http://forum.murnatan.com/index.php?topic=234.0)
The Overmind (http://forum.murnatan.com/index.php?topic=237.0)
The Hovel (http://forum.murnatan.com/index.php?topic=248.0)
Bamboo (http://forum.murnatan.com/index.php?topic=250.0)

Do you guys need any help with fixing the Murnatan front page? Since it seems such a hard thing to replace a few images and link, I would like to offer my help and fix the front page for you. This way you will have no argument besides unwillingness.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Machine Medic on March 27, 2014, 04:41:13 PM: Do not feed the troll.
Do not reply to this topic unless your name is Rotacak or Mopython.

You have been warned.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KwzQfi0_Ufg/UZE4NVdXS0I/AAAAAAAAArU/nNQtapv_6-8/s1600/warningtrollsCROPPED.png)
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: MegaMedic on March 27, 2014, 07:36:06 PM: Shitty topic with arguments. I suggst to be locked.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 27, 2014, 09:05:21 PM: Because shouting, insulting, posting large images and locking this thread is going to fix your mistakes for you?
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Loki on March 27, 2014, 09:46:53 PM: Why don't you just PMed Rotacak? Would've been easier for all of us who are allergic to hyenas.

Also are you the author of these assets? No? Then there's no point to have a talk about anything with you.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 27, 2014, 11:04:31 PM: As has been said several times in this thread, Rotacak does not react to any query sent by Timbo. The only reason I post here is so that Rotacak can not find any excuse besides a lack of willingness. I'm already regretting the fact that I even came near you people.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: grmg.pl on March 27, 2014, 11:26:12 PM: To simplify.

If this is an issue worth some attention - this is gonna be resolved between Rota and Timbo, if they decide to do so.

Lava is self proclaimed middleman, simply because he's Lava and his input, while raising logical questions has no impact on Rota or Timbo anyhow.

The issue itself is so insignificant compared to the whole project that is not worth further bickering about. We all have more interesting stuff to do.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Loki on March 27, 2014, 11:26:53 PM: Quote from: Lava Croft on March 27, 2014, 11:04:31 PM
I'm already regretting the fact that I even came near you people.

Well that was the point.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Lava Croft on March 28, 2014, 12:05:12 PM: As long as you are the one using other people's work, I guess it indeed is not that important. I wonder how this would play out it if the situation was reversed.
Saying this is a situation that has to be resolved between Timbo and Rotacak suggests that Rotacak actually replies to Timbo's queries, which is certainly not the case. This thread wouldn't exist otherwise.

(http://dm.greenville.edu/gct/files/images/i%20made%20this.jpg)
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: imp on April 01, 2014, 12:02:16 AM: I'm seriously not going to dive into this topic but just to make it more enjoyable for everyone:
Remember to listen to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos) while reading this thread.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION:
Post by: ViruS on April 01, 2014, 10:45:14 AM: Quote from: MegaMedic on March 26, 2014, 06:59:51 PM
You're just a hater which trying to complain about someones work. If you don't like it, please make your own project, and start a competition versus Murnatan (like EDGE started vs RCZ). I'm wating to see this.
*cough cough* I think you're the one that is sounding like a hater now.

He does have a point though, even though AAA said they were going to have somewhat "completely different yet the same" - The ideas are still kinda the same. Hives, Grangers etc.

If you compare Tremulous as a successor to Quake 2 Gloom, they have almost nothing in common except "aliens vs humans, RTS - Bases, Build points, buildables constructed by anyone, First Person Shooter, Fast-Paced shooter, Aliens that resemble insects and arachnids, and Spawns as an essential required buildable" while the rest are different.

You can slide buildables, you can spit fire, you have a torchlight/you can emit light (aliens), there's no radar, regenerating power that powers jetpack/gun, rocket launchers that are highly dangerous when not in the correct position n shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heJetHOK7MA

Rest of topic board: haven't read
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Danish on June 26, 2014, 10:46:35 PM: (http://i.imgur.com/A0Xaitw.png)
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Loki on July 03, 2014, 03:54:43 PM: Quote from: Danish on June 26, 2014, 10:46:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/A0Xaitw.png)

Overall very good but that reflection should have an opacity gradient from top to bottom to make it as a reflection.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: MegaMedic on July 13, 2014, 06:16:35 PM: Murnatan homepage has changed now. There is no anymore the dretch that you were talking about:

(http://i62.tinypic.com/9fnwcy.jpg)

(http://i59.tinypic.com/zwktvl.jpg)

Here, are you happy now?
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Loki on July 13, 2014, 06:28:43 PM: Watch out, it has the same color as a dretch. Gotta sanction Russia for that!
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Machine Medic on July 13, 2014, 08:05:49 PM: Quote
Watch out, it has the same color as a dretch. Gotta sanction Russia for that!

I lol'd.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: MoronicAcid on July 14, 2014, 12:06:40 AM: Why do the aliens look like furries?
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Machine Medic on July 14, 2014, 04:34:10 AM: Quote
Why do the aliens look like furries?

Because AAA is so far doing an excellent job of making aliens that are not butt-ugly as hell, as opposed to those found in particular games that start with the letters 'N' or 'U'.

The aliens in the concept art on the front page have very expressive faces, which is probably why you are making that connection.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: MegaMedic on July 14, 2014, 06:39:04 AM: Quote from: Machine Medic on July 14, 2014, 04:34:10 AM

The aliens in the concept art on the front page have very expressive faces, which is probably why you are making that connection.

Agree. If you look down to homepage, you gonna see this:

"This is not a scary game with creepy aliens.
This is an entertaining game with beautiful aliens"

For me, in Tremulous, all aliens are cute...But the best from them is granger.
Maybe MurnataN gonna make all aliens to look awesome and cool like granger.
Title: Re: SUGGESTION: Stop using Tremulous art assets
Post by: Machine Medic on July 14, 2014, 06:56:09 AM: Quote
Maybe MurnataN gonna make all aliens to look awesome and cool like granger.

Fuck yes.

I want this.