The devs name says it all:
Take away the "g" in Timbos full name, say outload, and the hidden truth is revealed.
(Truth aside)
If a new name is needed, even new models, it will take work of course but it is not as bad as it could've been under certain circumstances. Have we lost any player support? No. Those on this forum seem to still be loyal, and it's not like th idiots at the tremulous.net forums were going to pay for it anyway.
Is Kickstarter gone? No, only paused.
Do we still have our granger pillows? (Or moostices or spangnolds–whatever they'll be called)
Yes.

And it's very good for something like this to happen now in the developmental stages instead of right before it is published or when it had been selling for a while. This way now it can only change and go up from here. 

You can be sued (Rota) for using shape of granger and so on.
...
BUT
luckily the intellectual slavery laws of this game (as seen by 2013 USA, UK communists and other fascist legal systems) DO ALLOW to copy all this media and sell them, if you will just somehow attribute tremulous and maybe provide some kind of source. Talk to lawyer and get it resolved

grmg.pl:
1)
No. Worst thing that maybe/probably/teoretically can hapen is that they will additionaly register trademark and after that we must to change name. But registering trademark cost money, it is long road (6 months?) and it is not sure that they will obtain it.

No, completely wrong.
Because the question is wrong.

There is no "law".

There are many various laws in various countries.

USA patents and other intellectual slavery are winning in USA and EU, they can sue you anything even for using bullets in game.
And using anything similar to Tremulous increases problems.
But.
This is stupid.
Until more reasonable laws are passed (maybe when EU communism and USA fascism collapses finally), you should just lawyer up and ignore stupid haters, imo.

And I guess use other name, that one we can do.

Aww, thats a shame D: Does this mean that EVERYTHING has to change? (Aliens looks, names, human buildings, ect.

Intellectual - Slavery can try to use law to make this game
- not use given name
- not use similar shapes of aliens
- not use similar game play types
- not use similar certain small ideas like "how to do lights" or "idea that game players can gather points from looking at ads in-game and then spend them on buying weapons"

Patents, copyrights, and other bad things.

Btw, I find this a bit amusing that you still support intellectual slavery (extorting money from players - e.g. you can send armed people to take him away to cage if he used his computer to make a copy of the game files).

So I wonder, how would T2 do in shoes of T1 developers then..
If I would make new game and call it Tremulous3 or Tremulous-Fire 2
If I would copy your game files and play them
If I would copy your game files and take money when I give it to other people

anyway T1 move was not nice

"the UE3 development seats "

hihi imaginary property is so funny.

Next you would need to purchase the Allowance of the King of the World to use a computer or write any game at all even from scratch.

Oh actually this is true, software patents

Sure. Maybe even FPS style of game is copyright issue...

Yes, it is (patent, not copyright).

Now OpenSource (kind of ideology) is the one that is opposing this

I can not imagine that anyone would have to do that from scratch.

Ioquake / opendoom does it, but it was easier afair.. afair it happened with never opensourced games too but maybe not in FPS world yet.

Either way. How about: using that not-portable UE3 engine,
but open-sourcing *some files* that make it possible to have open source client  done easier by someone else, eg the mods/qvm files, maybe art (even if in lower quality) and so on?




Current community is like this (from RCZ server)





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So based on this and the talks we have now and then with communities,

1) Current Tremulous Community - 50% or so will not likes closed T2 :|
2) Linux Gamers Community - most will not likes closed T2 :| obviously
3) Mainstream Games Community - doesn't give a shit about closed/open and will just compare game to other games.

I think there might be more money in grabbing 10% market in communities 1+2,
then in grabbing 0.001% of market in community 3 competing with best companies in the world with millions ready for marketing...
apparently T2 does not share this view.

Well time will tell.

Until then, I'm interested in any more arguments (with merit) for either opinion (or anything in between)

EpicalDude: I had to add new rule http://forum.tremulous2.com/index.php?topic=2.msg2#msg2 so please stop using "nigga" and "fat moms". If you want to continue, go there http://trem.rotaxmame.cz

Trem RCZ really wants to remain the better Trem

One more idea comes to mind: will the servers, protocol, be open enough so that a compatible open source clients could join if created?

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Wikipedia

No.

Lol, you do not accept wikipedia and it's referneces as sources? Then there is nothing to discuss with you on the internet if you just refuse any arguments hehe

It can be done, if the company is very well known, and it has a very large support base.

It will be not so easy cashgrab as Carmagedon or Wastelands, but not necessary impossible.

They are using Kickstarter anyway.

If it will be DRM free it will get them more funding and more customers.
Run on linux - also (at least wine compatible).
And other points too, with downsides being what.. that other engine would be used. What is the next best engine that runs on linux?

Being open source: again 1) the engine choice  2) anti-botting is imo idiotic for the reasons stated above (that no one yet replied to)  3) anti-piracy is imo not needed at all (pirates gonna pirate, buyers gonna buy and that's it).

Now if you want to provide anything construcitve then sit down like I did, find some links get the numbers, then do some math, write pros/cons and then we know how different options might affect profitability & popularity of it.

If you don’t want to provide constructive feedback then fell free to suck my cock which picture you can find somewhere on RCZ trem gpp forum (it's amazingly sweet).

It's called a 'Venture-Capital Loan', and I'm pretty sure AAA has already taken one out if they're actually serious.

The problem remains but is then VC and/or publisher problem instead of AAA problem. Still it will affect AAA, Im sure they want game to be commercial success no matter how directly it affects their money.

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The closed source games that are on Steam are not piratable?
They are not on the pirate bay? really?
For example which popular game?

All of them.

You can pirate the game all day long, but if you don't have permission from the Steam authentication servers to use it, it's just wasted hard drive space.

If you mean that the game server will not let the player in:
thank you for proving my point about piracy and close-source;
For anti piracy make game open-source because as we said anyone can get the CLIENT and make the SERVERS not accept invalid keys, or at least the best servers (yours).

If you where saying it about DRM, then DRM is always crackable and only the honest users are affected (read: pissed as fuck) by it. And they turn into pirates because they pay more and get WORSE service as not-pirates when it comes to DRM.