Author Topic: New name for our game?  (Read 8404 times)

Offline Rotacak on: February 21, 2013, 05:57:50 PM

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DECIDED: We will have new name.

After discussion here I want to ask you - truly Tremulous fans.

What is your opinion for name change?

I wanted to make Tremulous to live much longer. But now I starting to hate this name (after many years, it is funny). I am not sure if I still want it. Currently I would like to cut everything from this name, let it die and continue with new name without history.

What is your opinion?
« Last Edit: March 01, 2013, 03:11:14 PM by Rotacak »

Offline MegaMedic #1 on: February 21, 2013, 06:20:32 PM

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Well, you started with the name and now if you want to change it, you need to change everything. Stay with Tremulous 2. Don't listen haters.
Also, if old developers have copyright for this title, they will never make Tremulous 2. You can change everything and don't let's this die. Don't give up! Keep continue.

Offline Rotacak #2 on: February 21, 2013, 06:40:43 PM

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MegaMedic: its just about the name. They do not have trademark and anything, but do we still want to support this name? It is not because of complainers, they will be there allways (if we will change name, they will hate price, closed source, graphic, sounds, just everything).

It's about that we/me had some idol that we want to support with longer life, but idol said "fuck you".

It would not affect the gameplay in any way of course.

Offline Lancer #3 on: February 21, 2013, 07:23:23 PM

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MegaMedic: its just about the name. They do not have trademark and anything, but do we still want to support this name? It is not because of complainers, they will be there allways (if we will change name, they will hate price, closed source, graphic, sounds, just everything).

It's about that we/me had some idol that we want to support with longer life, but idol said "fuck you".

It would not affect the gameplay in any way of course.

Well, give us a few suggestions, what's on your mind rotacak?
For now - Give the project the codename Tremulous 2 :)

Offline grmg.pl #4 on: February 21, 2013, 07:27:55 PM

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1. From the standpoint of law, do you HAVE to change the name? What's the worst thing that can happen from the LAW standpoint?

Quote from: Timbo, 1.1/1.2 dev
Since "Tremulous 2" is a commercial project, you are presumably not wanting to adhere to said licensing terms and must contact all copyright owners to gain their permission. (...)You contacted me in November and I declined


2. From the "being fair" standpoint - sure, the game idea is "owned" by original 1.1/1.2 dev team.

3.
Quote from: Rota, tremulous.net forum
Name can be trademarked - it is not.
Game content is copyrighted automatically - it is.
Shape of aliens or game technics can be patented - it is not.

We do not breaking trademark (there is no any), copyright (we do not using anything exactly from the game), patent (there is no any)
.

From the "lets get realistic" -  the original 1.1/1.2 devs had YEARS to do something along the lines of T2 as planned by Rota. They didn't and IMO, since even full 1.2 (is gpp, not the full game) is not released, it's not realistic to expect any substantial "new" content (no new ideas implemented, no gfx upgrades etc).

4.
Quote from: Rota on tremulous.net
On the contrary it can make Tremulous 1 unforgotten
Very true. People who will play T2 will be very likely to checkout 1.1/1.2.

5. Stay with the T2 name. Rota releases T2, they release T3.

6. Change the name to something new "Aliens vs humans" (just for example). Do you change the actual content (from tremulous gameplay to for example a space shooter)? Do you have to?

7. Change the name, without changing the content. Add the "spiritual successor to 1.1/1.2" to the tagline. People will but new name game, and still chceckout 1.1/1.2

8. Does the name "Tremulous 2" give Rota any actual/significant boost in sales/popularity from 1.1/1.2 community? System Shock 2 had been "spiritually succesored" ( :P) by Bioshock, but I doubt that System Shock fans had more than tiny part in Bishock sales. Like with the domains: you can have the "keyword" in the domain name, but it's only a part of getting ranked high. It's cool, but it's not that important.

9. Aside from any actual infringements on copy/trade - I's like this:

There is a hot girl you "really like". You've wanted to ask her out for years, but didn't. Some other dude did last week.

Whos' fault is this?

It's very good Rota asked original devs for permission (a gesture of good will, no matter the difference of opinions), but at this point (3 years after 1.2 has been released), cmon' either do something about it or don't make a problem out of the "name".

10. I'm already "hooked" to the gameplay, so the actual name for me is not important. BUT: for the new/incoming fresh potential buyers, if you want to make any moves with the "name/content/gameplay" do it fast, do it decisively. People don't like cloudy issues, they buy what's clear and simple.

Offline Loki #5 on: February 21, 2013, 08:12:23 PM

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Y NEW NAME!

Grangerophilia

Offline Axl #6 on: February 21, 2013, 08:15:20 PM

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I think a good name would be Extermination.
Formally known as the "Stat Padding Try Hard" on World of Tanks.....

Offline Loki #7 on: February 21, 2013, 08:16:33 PM

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I think a good name would be Extermination.

no way, too much like excrementation

Offline Rotacak #8 on: February 21, 2013, 08:36:49 PM

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grmg.pl:
1)
No. Worst thing that maybe/probably/teoretically can hapen is that they will additionaly register trademark and after that we must to change name. But registering trademark cost money, it is long road (6 months?) and it is not sure that they will obtain it.

On the other hand - we probably cannot register our trademark, so anyone can make Tremulous 3, 4, 5... without problems. And this is bad for us since it is commercial game.

2) Sure.

6) No, this is all about name only. We definitely not change anything in gameplay etc. There is always someone who think that he can dictate us how we must do our game. But we will do this game in our way. And that way is to bring our loved tremulous back, with any name.

We can name it Tremulouz, Trem, Tremendous etc. but that is nonsense - in that case we can leave it as is. If we will change name then to brand new name and we will cut all connection to old game (no thanks to T1 dev, no links to that game etc.).

8) No. There is few hardcore players, whose still play and recognize that T2 have something with T1. But mainly it have absolute no effect. Anyway, we using this sentece "T2 is spiritual successor to T1" so if it will be "ABC is spiritual successor to T1" it will still attract those 10 old players.

Our intention is to create game of course for hard core trem fans (few players), but mainly attract new players. It is impossible without new players.

10) Just the name, don't worry about gameplay.

Offline Nomad #9 on: February 21, 2013, 09:59:57 PM

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If you were in a situation where you MUST change the name, rename it to Grangelous and make grangers the main mascots.  ;D

Offline Machine Medic #10 on: February 21, 2013, 10:17:22 PM

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Personally, I'm opposed to changing the name...

For all it's worth, if it looks like Tremulous, sounds like Tremulous, plays like Tremulous, and is just as fun as Tremulous -if not much, much more-, I'll probably end up calling it Tremulous anyways, along with many of the die-hards.

The original devs are not going to release a sequel to their game, much less put in the effort to do anything other than admire their lack of effort in the last 3 years.  1.2 is dead. 


Tremulous is a name that describes more than just a bunch of aliens trying to kill humans.  Tremulous is an idea, and calling an idea anything other than what it is is quite simply a lie, and an injustice to it at that.

If the original devs are butt-hurt about this project doing what their fat arses are too lazy to do, then they can live with it for all I care.  The idea of Tremulous has had it's patent date expire a long time ago. 


Tremulous is Tremulous, and calling it something less is just a shame.   :-\




I will support a name change the day the original devs trademark Tremulous 1.1, at which point I will have lost all respect I once had for their game.
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Offline Nomad #11 on: February 21, 2013, 10:44:51 PM

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Personally, I'm opposed to changing the name...

For all it's worth, if it looks like Tremulous, sounds like Tremulous, plays like Tremulous, and is just as fun as Tremulous -if not much, much more-, I'll probably end up calling it Tremulous anyways, along with many of the die-hards.

The original devs are not going to release a sequel to their game, much less put in the effort to do anything other than admire their lack of effort in the last 3 years.  1.2 is dead. 


Tremulous is a name that describes more than just a bunch of aliens trying to kill humans.  Tremulous is an idea, and calling an idea anything other than what it is is quite simply a lie, and an injustice to it at that.

If the original devs are butt-hurt about this project doing what their fat arses are too lazy to do, then they can live with it for all I care.  The idea of Tremulous has had it's patent date expire a long time ago. 


Tremulous is Tremulous, and calling it something less is just a shame.   :-\




I will support a name change the day the original devs trademark Tremulous 1.1, at which point I will have lost all respect I once had for their game.


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Offline MegaMedic #12 on: February 21, 2013, 10:51:19 PM

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I agree with Rotacak about players. Not many players from old Tremulous will come here. We depend more for news players.
"Tremulous 2" title is good for a old player who played Tremulous but for a new player I don't know. New player will ask: "Well, what is this 2?" and he will serach for Tremulous 1. I remember when I played first time FEAR 3 and then I serached for FEAR 2 and FEAR 1 lol.

And also, if the game will be in wikipedia, there will say something like "First time this game ough to be called Tremulous 2 and then developers changed name....".

Also, if we think you will need to change everything (Forum name, posters from studio, T-Shirt with Trem 2, Hat with Trem 2, facebook/youtube/twitter name etc)

I don't know what to say guys, we need to think good at this.

EDIT:

I decided. Maybe you should change it. Later when game will be finished that developers can report it for the name (if they are too jelous). Also, they will never make Tremulous 2. They just want to keep up their "copyrights" just to be there.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2013, 09:04:16 AM by MegaMedic »

Offline (PL) cool boy #13 on: February 22, 2013, 05:46:02 PM

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT CHANGE THE NAME OR I KILL U ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
i like tremulous....and grangers

Offline Rotacak #14 on: February 22, 2013, 06:56:32 PM

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make grangers the main mascots.  ;D
That is sure thing :)

"Tremulous 2" title is good for a old player who played Tremulous but for a new player I don't know. New player will ask: "Well, what is this 2?" and he will serach for Tremulous 1. I remember when I played first time FEAR 3 and then I serached for FEAR 2 and FEAR 1 lol.
Yea. Today nobody know Infiniminer, but everyone know Minecraft. I would be different if would be Infiniminer 2.

Also, if we think you will need to change everything (Forum name, posters from studio, T-Shirt with Trem 2, Hat with Trem 2, facebook/youtube/twitter name etc)
Actually it is not too much work. It is only new logo, domain and social groups. Nothing what cannot be done in one day.

Trailer - it is more complicated, but meh.