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how about relentless?

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 25, 2012, 01:41:40 PM »
how have I, i have just helped you realise you are not able to comprehend software development as use a developing piece of software, I have not comprehended any of my points...

anyway, this is my last post on this matter as gunther is right, this has gone far enough.

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 25, 2012, 12:29:39 AM »
if any of the bugs you find stop you using it, you should move to a much simpler version of Linux... you do realise there are different distributions of Linux? OR, don't update to the most recent version, keep an update or two behind, you don't need to be to smart to work this out for yourself...

and again grmg learn to read what i have said

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 24, 2012, 10:06:36 PM »
o.0 i thought there was going to be a MAC release....

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 24, 2012, 09:14:15 PM »
and now we are comparing operating systems to methods of transport? oh dear, oh dear indeed...

MS windows is no more user friendly than linux,

ammeter was a fail spell checker :3

what you missed is that linux has a much more promising future than MAC, so will still take off, and overtake MS windows.

of course hardware is relevant! how isn't it? you claimed that linux was slower, the speed is a combination of the hardware and the software, and with both operating systems on the same hardware, linux is faster.


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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 24, 2012, 05:20:14 PM »

seriously, you are comparing video games to operating systems? go back to school.

 grmg, try reading what i said again, the source was provided by you...

USEFUL software (not video games)...

Microsoft's software is hugely inferior to Linux...

most useless software is designed for MS windows (aka video games and ammeter coding environments), most big companies/projects that are pushing the boundaries of modern technology use linux (the hadron collider for one example)

Linux performs better on average than windows for the same hardware in gaming...

once again i am looking at whats happening in the future, not whats happening now, you need to get your tenses sorted.

i have already said what more they can provide, go and read it,

HA windows update is a joke, you can update linux almost as often as you want, and not at all if you wish. Updates are fast and effective in Linux, and problems are fixed Quickly unlike the few  months you could spend waiting with MS windows,

Of course software is integrated in hardware development!

Don't care about their customers- lack of fast software fixes, lack of competitive prices, lack of general care for the consumer

2 different engines financially stupid? umm they have one for windows and MAC (thats 2),

win is shit, just most people don't know there's a better alternative,

useful software, everything that is in Linux, code development environments, CNC controllers, everything that "makes the world run"

like i said, i would never put such insecure software anywhere near my PC,

MS windows costs infinitely more than Linux,

And you've been using the same software for 3 years? come out of your cave and see the new world...


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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 24, 2012, 02:34:22 PM »
windows only has the most used extensions, because these code writers are still writing for it. Yes that is the only problem with Linux, is peoples lack of knowledge of its existence, but those who do know of it, are likely to use it. When Linux starts to raise awareness, people are likely to start using it very quickly, and before you know it you could have 90% of PC users could have a version of Linux installed on their machine as well.

"Windows and Mac are good for literally everything else"
-compatibility with modern day low grade PC software,
-video gaming

That is all windows has over Linux whereas Linux has
-compatibility with advanced software,
-security,
-ease of use
-customisability
-innovation
-no costs
-proper user support
-reliability


if you have Linux, the only place you are likely to have a copy of windows, is in the trash ;)

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 24, 2012, 01:17:20 AM »
yes cheap half describes MS windows well, u pay a shitload of money, and get a cheap tacky piece of rubbish for your money. gunther, yes there are more than 1 distro, but games would only need to be compatible with one, like fedora for example. Anyone can use fedora, it is a perfect replacement for MS windows. HA linux is much more controlled than windows/MAC. windows or mac have so much malware its unbelievable that they are still usable. Linux is controlled, as the user can do anything he/she wants including doing nothing and it will work fine. any computer litterate person can do whatever he wants with linux, but forget doing anything in windows/MAC. I dont know what peoples problem is with linux, but these coders that are so against the future are really holding technology back.

cheap, u wanna pay for crummy software. gunther, you get linux for free!

the problem is companies like microsoft and apple don't care about their customers, and sooner or later people will realise open source software like linux has so much more to offer them for so much less.

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 24, 2012, 12:18:53 AM »
umm, windows only has compatibility with some software types because humans in general fear change, even if its for the best. Linux is much easier to write for, and much easier to use to write the code. All the editors and compilers ext (everything you need to code) come pre installed for free, whereas in windows you have to pay for them?? It is these coders that are to afraid of change that are keeping windows alive and more compatible with their software than linux. The majority of useful software (i mean proper useful not video games ext) are linux compatible anyway. Most big technology research centres use linux because of its compatibility with he programs THEY need for doing USEFUL things.

i would hope the developers of trem2 would not have been so paranoid of this change and helped technology advance in this area but it seems that they are intent on clinging to inferior operating systems like windows.

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 23, 2012, 08:31:20 PM »
most of what you have just said is completely irrelevant to your point,

How technology advancement works:
In the case of PC's / desktop computers (whatever you wish to call them), the research into optimising and increasing performance is done non commercially, e.g privately run/sponsored projects (the supercomputers). the cutting edge of commercial technology today would have been considered a supercomputer a few years back, so we can ,for now, that in a couple of years time, the supercomputers today, will be the standard PC. The page you quoted had a section on the supercomputers around today that said that the software uses on them are 92.4% linux. Now what happens in 2 years time when this hardware (designed and optimised for linux use) comes into commercial use? It is likely to be sold with linux NOT MS windows or whatever equivalent they will have. That is the point i was making.

85% of the world? wake up. everyone i have ever talked to or known knows the definition of PC.

The world runs on windows??? HA. The people who USE computers to do real tasks are much more likely to use linux as it is much more useful for those who CAN use a computer. The people who use MS windows are those who do their on-line shopping and play video games. The world does NOT run on these activities. The world runs on the people who push for new better technology's, and MS windows does not do this.

the only advantage MS windows has is video gaming, Linux is faster, easier to use, FREE, and now that steam are supporting it, it will also match windows in video gaming. That is why linux is outright better that windows.

MS have taken software pretty much as far as it can go with a company designing/writing it. There is not much more they can do, so the open source platforms will overtake them as they can provide SO much more to the consumer.

wtf do you think you are talking about, only computer literate people can use linux? have you even seen it? Fedora (one example) the GUI is no different to MS windows XP, Fedora is easier to use than MS windows and when there is a problem, The open source community fixes it, unlike microsoft who don't care about their customers. Your point is just proving your lack of knowledge about different software platforms.

what on earth are you on about with doomsday preppers? how is that at all relevant. when making a bit of software, you have to make it compatable with whatever software will be around when it is released not when its being developed.

sorry, the people who "have a life" spend it playing video games? ummmmm no. people who "have a life" do useful things with it.

It doesn't make any difference how much money the companies have, what matters is what they can offer the consumer. A company can never get close to providing the service and quality that open source does. If they offer the consumer to pay for their software that is inferior to something the consumer can get for free, why will the consumer use their software? so when the consumer stops buying the companies software, it makes no difference how much money the company has.

A significant portion of the audience barely has enough money for a decent computer.     umm what does this even mean? If they don't have money for a decent PC how are they going to afford MS windows as well as your game? might want to start thinking your arguments through more thoroughly...

like it or not, if you ever want to get anywhere with computers you have to be able to understand what is a very likely outcome in the future, and know your way around different bits of software. 


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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 23, 2012, 06:31:16 PM »


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he potential thrive in linux gaming
In fact the "potential" part of this is very true, for:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

Windows takes 69% compared to 1,64% of linux. Find me the "thrive" part here :D





You do realise the 1.64% is today, not in 2014 when trem2 is to be released, by then the statistics could even be reversed, as i have said before, with the big players such as steam moving to linux, by 2014, linux could be bigger than windows for gaming especially as windows is a dying piece of software. people are likely to start to move to linux as they eventually realise that a company can never provide the same quality and security as such a huge open source project as linux is.
If you read down on that page you gave a link for, look at the PC's of the future (supercomputer section). By 2014 it is entirely plausible that a "standard" PC will match these specs as these computers are obviously the future, look at the software uses for those future computers...
linux, 92.4%
Ms windows, 0.4%
As this technology developed in these computers will be carried forward into commercial use, it is entirely plausible that when this technology becomes commercially available, they will all be sold running linux as that is how they were optimised to work.

PC, (personal computer), the term has nothing to do with whether the PC has MS windows on it... if you use it to describe a computer only with MS windows on it, you are using the term incorrectly.

once again im looking forward, NOT NOW. if trem 2 were to be released soon (a few months), then yes a linux version would be pointless but its being released in 2014. you have to think in the time when it will be used by the public. This is a HUGE time gap in software terms,  microsoft could not even be around any more in 2 years for all we know (worst case scenario of course), It seems as if its taking a huge risk and putting all your eggs in one basket.

Still withe the engine issues, OSX is ,linux based, so i cant see it being as difficult as you are making it out to be. there is already a strong starting point with the mac version, and as it is linux based it shouldn't be nearly as difficult as rewriting the engine which is what you seem to be implying (as far as i understand the memory management is the same) ... 
there may be 300000 lines of code, but you would have to change very little of it. The only things changing would be parts of the interface between the software and the game, which would not be too difficult. I assume you are not thinking of re-writing the entire engine (that would be pointless  ;))?

Unreal technology? If Valve are moving to linux, the rest are going to follow one day soon, or they will simply be left behind...

it seems stupid that by the time the game is released, a significant proportion of the audience could have to dual boot their PC's or use WINE... if you are going to charge for this game you have to provide proper support.

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 22, 2012, 08:47:13 PM »
I do not understand why many things will support MAC's but not linux these days....
but with the potential thrive in linux gaming, i still don't see why there could not be an eventual plan to get trem2 on linux after its successfully released on windows/IOS, you would only have to make for 1 distro, so it wouldn't be twice the work, As for the engine, as far as i understand, there are linux clients for it....
besides, UE3 supports mac, so surely it would not be that difficult to make it linux compatable (as mac is linux based)?

even if severe mods are needed to the engine, i can't see why they would mind you making their engine linux compatible (if anything i would think that they may even encourage it) and it still seems to me that it would be worth the extra work to open trem2 to a 2 times larger audience...
  Gunther, like i said, i would never pay for anything that i am not 100% sure that it will work and there's no way im putting MS windows on my PC ;)

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Discussion / Re: Linux Support
« on: December 22, 2012, 12:54:43 AM »
what are the reasons for no linux build, seeing as valve are beginning to support linux, this means steam and many games on steam will run native in linux, this will be a MASSIVE boost for linux gaming, and by the time trem2 comes out in 2014 linux could be a large competition for windows and IOS for gaming, leaving trem2 only open to 1/2 the gaming audience it could be open to. To me it seems that if trem 2 doesn't run native in at least 1 linux distro, it could just be left behind. Besides, a large proportion of trem users do use linux, and many will be eager to play trem2 (such as myself) but there is a much smaller chance that they will buy it if it does not run natively ( i definitely will not pay for something that i am not sure will work).
        as far as I understand linux is easier to write for than windows and IOS, so it seems completely mad not to support just one distro...

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