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Offline Loki on: January 18, 2013, 06:53:05 PM

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Ok since here are so many IT engineers I find this forum very useful.
The problem is simple, when I set recommended vir. memory (6082 in MB), it doesn't show up on task manager and in performance it seems it didn't apply.
I remember when I was setting this memory on XP the memory showed up on Task manager also.

so what could be the problem of mine?

Offline Machine Medic #1 on: January 18, 2013, 07:19:16 PM

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so what could be the problem of mine?

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Offline kdude63 #2 on: January 18, 2013, 07:24:12 PM

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Virtual memory is basically a low-speed overflow area reserved on your harddrive for when your RAM is full, or when Windows wants to free up RAM and shove applications that aren't being used somewhere else.
Increasing the amount of virtual memory you have doesn't increase the computer's performance by any margin. If you have a decent amount of RAM (4gb+), you don't need a page file larger than 4gb. It does nothing other than use more harddrive space.

So basically, RAM and Virtual memory aren't the same thing, therefore you won't notice any difference under normal circumstances.

Offline grmg.pl #3 on: January 18, 2013, 07:49:49 PM

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Exactly, no amount of virtual is gonna make your computer faster, since its just a file on a hdd not a true memory. Not to mention that in order to put this file to use the data has to go through real memory first probably.

Buy more RAM or up the frequency on the current one.

Offline Loki #4 on: January 18, 2013, 08:18:19 PM

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Exactly, no amount of virtual is gonna make your computer faster, since its just a file on a hdd not a true memory. Not to mention that in order to put this file to use the data has to go through real memory first probably.

Buy more RAM or up the frequency on the current one.

Got 4 GB DDR3 which's core is on 1333 MHz it's enough...

Well the whole point of virtual memory is that I am playing APB Reloaded which is very RAM and procesor demanding game.

As far as I learnt RAM is memory for procesor if the procesor is slow for data which are being loaded by its cores. So basically virtual memory should store more of datas which wouldnt fully load RAM. Or am I wrong?

Anyway I want solution for that problem

Offline Gunther #5 on: January 18, 2013, 08:35:47 PM

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so what could be the problem of mine?

Windows.
Install a better system (any one you can think of will do) and it should work.
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Offline Rotacak #6 on: January 18, 2013, 09:06:37 PM

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4GB RAM is enough for APB Reloaded. If you have bad performance in the game, then you have slow computer or a different problem. Size of virtual memory cannot solve this.

Offline Loki #7 on: January 18, 2013, 11:38:10 PM

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4GB RAM is enough for APB Reloaded. If you have bad performance in the game, then you have slow computer or a different problem. Size of virtual memory cannot solve this.

Bah barely. APB Reloaded was taking 3900 out of 4000 MB from my RAM so there's the why.


Isn't it true that if the processor is slower, the more RAM is used?

Offline grmg.pl #8 on: January 18, 2013, 11:52:25 PM

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http://www.apbrwiki.com/wiki/System_Requirements

Recommended:
 OS: Windows Vista 64bit / Windows 7 64bit
 Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4GHz or equivalent
 Memory: 4GB RAM
 Video: NVidia GeForce 8800 GTX 512MB or equivalent
 Accessories: Headset and microphone


Recommended for Max Settings:
 OS: Windows 7 64bit
 Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4GHz or equivalent
 Memory: 4GB RAM or more
 Video: Two strong video cards (Nvidia 200 series or higher)

Offline Rotacak #9 on: January 19, 2013, 01:42:10 AM

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4GB RAM is enough for APB Reloaded. If you have bad performance in the game, then you have slow computer or a different problem. Size of virtual memory cannot solve this.

Bah barely. APB Reloaded was taking 3900 out of 4000 MB from my RAM so there's the why.


Isn't it true that if the processor is slower, the more RAM is used?
Not at all.

Offline Machine Medic #10 on: January 19, 2013, 02:59:17 AM

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very RAM and procesor demanding game.

Virtual memory will not fix this.

Main CPU speed and RAM usage are independent from another.  A faster CPU, larger RAM cards, and better GPUs will improve your system speed, along with a faster hard drive and in some instances, better cooling.


Examples:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115229

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787

I'm probably going to start a debate over AMD/Intel and Radeon/Nvidea by posting this, but it shows the effects of good and bad hardware cooling, and the difference quality makes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nU_rvVEna4
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Offline kdude63 #11 on: January 19, 2013, 03:11:29 AM

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Ijs, Medic is right. No amount of virtual memory will fix this. You need more RAM. Which isn't the same.

Offline Machine Medic #12 on: January 19, 2013, 03:16:30 AM

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Bottom line is, if your computer can't handle the game as it is now, it may be time to consider an upgrade.  Hardware stats are pretty much fixed unless you get into overclocking, and even then, the benefits from that are usually marginal at best (+2~10% system speed while stable?).

It may be more worthwhile to get a completely new computer if your current is more than say, 6~7 years old... trying to upgrade a 1998 Compaq or better usually doesn't end well.
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Offline Loki #13 on: January 19, 2013, 07:47:40 AM

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The big problem is it's notebook. Overclock? Barely. It's Locked. Even with MSI Afterburner.

@grmg: I saw them, the procesor doesn't fit in there I know.

Anyway somehow I made the game kinda stable :p

Offline Machine Medic #14 on: January 19, 2013, 02:15:56 PM

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Built a Hewlett Packard gaming lappy:  $699

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/load_configuration.do?destination=review&config_id=7730657#a

Some real fine stats thar on that hardware for the price.

Depending on what you plan on using that for, you'd want to up the memory a bit though... I idle at 3.85Gb with Windows 7.  With Skyrim running on full settings and the 2K texture pack installed, I use about 6.5Gb, and run around 50 FPS with a similar GPU and processor.

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