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Community => Discussion => Topic started by: MoronicAcid on December 09, 2012, 07:59:32 AM
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Will there be an official Linux version of Tremulous 2 or will I have to use Wine?
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There will be no Linux version.
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Will there be an official Linux version of Tremulous 2 or will I have to use Wine?
That's one of te downsides of using Linux. But don't worry, Wine is your friend. :)
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what are the reasons for no linux build, seeing as valve are beginning to support linux, this means steam and many games on steam will run native in linux, this will be a MASSIVE boost for linux gaming, and by the time trem2 comes out in 2014 linux could be a large competition for windows and IOS for gaming, leaving trem2 only open to 1/2 the gaming audience it could be open to. To me it seems that if trem 2 doesn't run native in at least 1 linux distro, it could just be left behind. Besides, a large proportion of trem users do use linux, and many will be eager to play trem2 (such as myself) but there is a much smaller chance that they will buy it if it does not run natively ( i definitely will not pay for something that i am not sure will work).
as far as I understand linux is easier to write for than windows and IOS, so it seems completely mad not to support just one distro...
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This means twice as much coding, twice as much testing and patching, and twice as much effort to release an update, however.
Also, I'm not even sure UE3 supports Linux. Porting an engine like that over would be a major feat, and possibly a license violation if it doesn't.
As far as mobile operating systems, sure... just as soon as they make phones with 700 GFLOP or better GPUs installed on them. UE3 requires a massive amount of power to run smoothly.
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what are the reasons for no linux build, seeing as valve are beginning to support linux, this means steam and many games on steam will run native in linux, this will be a MASSIVE boost for linux gaming, and by the time trem2 comes out in 2014 linux could be a large competition for windows and IOS for gaming, leaving trem2 only open to 1/2 the gaming audience it could be open to. To me it seems that if trem 2 doesn't run native in at least 1 linux distro, it could just be left behind. Besides, a large proportion of trem users do use linux, and many will be eager to play trem2 (such as myself) but there is a much smaller chance that they will buy it if it does not run natively ( i definitely will not pay for something that i am not sure will work).
as far as I understand linux is easier to write for than windows and IOS, so it seems completely mad not to support just one distro...
Steam for linux is something different. We need engine with linux support and Unreal Engine does not support linux. There are more engines, for example Unity 3d engine with linux support, but our priority is to make best game with the best engine, not make game for many platforms as possible. Unity 3d can make nice results ( https://autoclubrevolution.com ), but Unreal Engine is still better.
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Just wait for someone to get a Windows copy and hope they have some Linux installed on their machine. Then see what distro of Linux they're using and their settings and see if you want to match that. Otherwise, you'll have choose between Mac or Windows and get one. (For those that don't know the difference, Mac is a complex tank, but comparably more expensive. Windows is a nice and cheep humvee with 6 billion parts in the dashboard all blinking right in your face)
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I do not understand why many things will support MAC's but not linux these days....
but with the potential thrive in linux gaming, i still don't see why there could not be an eventual plan to get trem2 on linux after its successfully released on windows/IOS, you would only have to make for 1 distro, so it wouldn't be twice the work, As for the engine, as far as i understand, there are linux clients for it....
besides, UE3 supports mac, so surely it would not be that difficult to make it linux compatable (as mac is linux based)?
even if severe mods are needed to the engine, i can't see why they would mind you making their engine linux compatible (if anything i would think that they may even encourage it) and it still seems to me that it would be worth the extra work to open trem2 to a 2 times larger audience...
Gunther, like i said, i would never pay for anything that i am not 100% sure that it will work and there's no way im putting MS windows on my PC ;)
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he potential thrive in linux gaming
In fact the "potential" part of this is very true, for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems)
Windows takes 69% compared to 1,64% of linux. Find me the "thrive" part here :D
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UE3 supports mac, so surely it would not be that difficult to make it linux compatable (as mac is linux based)?
Unreal Technology has deemed that there is insufficient market to warrant a Linux port of their entire game engine. Especially when there are Windows bootstraps for Linux anyways.
Also, yes, it would be that difficult. As I said, a huge amount of effort is required to create and maintain a third, much less second version of something. Unreal engine probably has at least 300,000+ lines of code behind it in total. Trem1.1 had around ~63,000+ if I recall.
seems to me that it would be worth the extra work to open trem2 to a 2 times larger audience
I think you need to check your statistics.
there's no way im putting MS windows on my PC
The term 'PC' was coined by Microsoft in the 1990's, and is mostly used today to describe Windows-based computers.
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Gunther, like i said, i would never pay for anything that i am not 100% sure that it will work and there's no way im putting MS windows on my PC
That's why I said SOMEONE, not you. Someone will of course, buy the Windows, and then it's not a problem to install Linux and test it out on Wine.
That, or buy a Mac, and dual-boot.
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dual-boot
The simplest solution.
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Indeed.
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he potential thrive in linux gaming
In fact the "potential" part of this is very true, for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems)
Windows takes 69% compared to 1,64% of linux. Find me the "thrive" part here :D
You do realise the 1.64% is today, not in 2014 when trem2 is to be released, by then the statistics could even be reversed, as i have said before, with the big players such as steam moving to linux, by 2014, linux could be bigger than windows for gaming especially as windows is a dying piece of software. people are likely to start to move to linux as they eventually realise that a company can never provide the same quality and security as such a huge open source project as linux is.
If you read down on that page you gave a link for, look at the PC's of the future (supercomputer section). By 2014 it is entirely plausible that a "standard" PC will match these specs as these computers are obviously the future, look at the software uses for those future computers...
linux, 92.4%
Ms windows, 0.4%
As this technology developed in these computers will be carried forward into commercial use, it is entirely plausible that when this technology becomes commercially available, they will all be sold running linux as that is how they were optimised to work.
PC, (personal computer), the term has nothing to do with whether the PC has MS windows on it... if you use it to describe a computer only with MS windows on it, you are using the term incorrectly.
once again im looking forward, NOT NOW. if trem 2 were to be released soon (a few months), then yes a linux version would be pointless but its being released in 2014. you have to think in the time when it will be used by the public. This is a HUGE time gap in software terms, microsoft could not even be around any more in 2 years for all we know (worst case scenario of course), It seems as if its taking a huge risk and putting all your eggs in one basket.
Still withe the engine issues, OSX is ,linux based, so i cant see it being as difficult as you are making it out to be. there is already a strong starting point with the mac version, and as it is linux based it shouldn't be nearly as difficult as rewriting the engine which is what you seem to be implying (as far as i understand the memory management is the same) ...
there may be 300000 lines of code, but you would have to change very little of it. The only things changing would be parts of the interface between the software and the game, which would not be too difficult. I assume you are not thinking of re-writing the entire engine (that would be pointless ;))?
Unreal technology? If Valve are moving to linux, the rest are going to follow one day soon, or they will simply be left behind...
it seems stupid that by the time the game is released, a significant proportion of the audience could have to dual boot their PC's or use WINE... if you are going to charge for this game you have to provide proper support.
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by then the statistics could even be reversed
Doubtful. The world runs on Windows, that fact is not likely to change, unless Linux develops a better operating system than Windows for your average computer illiterate.
windows is a dying piece of software
Cite your sources.
If you read down on that page you gave a link for, look at the PC's of the future (supercomputer section). By 2014 it is entirely plausible that a "standard" PC will match these specs as these computers are obviously the future, look at the software uses for those future computers...
linux, 92.4%
Ms windows, 0.4%
I honestly have no idea what you just said there.
PC, (personal computer), the term has nothing to do with whether the PC has MS windows on it... if you use it to describe a computer only with MS windows on it, you are using the term incorrectly.
Then 85% of the world uses it incorrectly.
once again im looking forward, NOT NOW.
So did the doomsday preppers for Y2K and 2012/21/12. Look how their predictions turned out.
microsoft could not even be around any more in 2 years for all we know
One of the most financially powerful entities in the world is going to vanish in two years? Not when Steve Jobs has enough money to keep the lights on for the next decade without making any profits.
Valve are moving to linux
And I'm not, along with most people that have a life.
it seems stupid that by the time the game is released, a significant proportion of the audience could have to dual boot their PC's or use WINE...
A significant portion of the audience barely has enough money for a decent computer.
if you are going to charge for this game you have to provide proper support.
AAA-Games will provide support... for Windows 7 or better.
If you can convince Unreal Technology to write a stable, fully Linux-compatible port of UE3, then there's a 5~10% chance there might be a Linux-T2.
You can live with Linux, and everything it entails. I'm sticking with the more popular solution: not fixing what isn't broken.
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most of what you have just said is completely irrelevant to your point,
How technology advancement works:
In the case of PC's / desktop computers (whatever you wish to call them), the research into optimising and increasing performance is done non commercially, e.g privately run/sponsored projects (the supercomputers). the cutting edge of commercial technology today would have been considered a supercomputer a few years back, so we can ,for now, that in a couple of years time, the supercomputers today, will be the standard PC. The page you quoted had a section on the supercomputers around today that said that the software uses on them are 92.4% linux. Now what happens in 2 years time when this hardware (designed and optimised for linux use) comes into commercial use? It is likely to be sold with linux NOT MS windows or whatever equivalent they will have. That is the point i was making.
85% of the world? wake up. everyone i have ever talked to or known knows the definition of PC.
The world runs on windows??? HA. The people who USE computers to do real tasks are much more likely to use linux as it is much more useful for those who CAN use a computer. The people who use MS windows are those who do their on-line shopping and play video games. The world does NOT run on these activities. The world runs on the people who push for new better technology's, and MS windows does not do this.
the only advantage MS windows has is video gaming, Linux is faster, easier to use, FREE, and now that steam are supporting it, it will also match windows in video gaming. That is why linux is outright better that windows.
MS have taken software pretty much as far as it can go with a company designing/writing it. There is not much more they can do, so the open source platforms will overtake them as they can provide SO much more to the consumer.
wtf do you think you are talking about, only computer literate people can use linux? have you even seen it? Fedora (one example) the GUI is no different to MS windows XP, Fedora is easier to use than MS windows and when there is a problem, The open source community fixes it, unlike microsoft who don't care about their customers. Your point is just proving your lack of knowledge about different software platforms.
what on earth are you on about with doomsday preppers? how is that at all relevant. when making a bit of software, you have to make it compatable with whatever software will be around when it is released not when its being developed.
sorry, the people who "have a life" spend it playing video games? ummmmm no. people who "have a life" do useful things with it.
It doesn't make any difference how much money the companies have, what matters is what they can offer the consumer. A company can never get close to providing the service and quality that open source does. If they offer the consumer to pay for their software that is inferior to something the consumer can get for free, why will the consumer use their software? so when the consumer stops buying the companies software, it makes no difference how much money the company has.
A significant portion of the audience barely has enough money for a decent computer. umm what does this even mean? If they don't have money for a decent PC how are they going to afford MS windows as well as your game? might want to start thinking your arguments through more thoroughly...
like it or not, if you ever want to get anywhere with computers you have to be able to understand what is a very likely outcome in the future, and know your way around different bits of software.
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Well, T2 is not releasing for Linux. Buy it or don't, not much is going to change that fact.
Ultimately, that's what it comes down to.
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Well Windows got something what Linux doesn't, the magic word's called compatibility. That's the biggest problem of this OS.
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umm, windows only has compatibility with some software types because humans in general fear change, even if its for the best. Linux is much easier to write for, and much easier to use to write the code. All the editors and compilers ext (everything you need to code) come pre installed for free, whereas in windows you have to pay for them?? It is these coders that are to afraid of change that are keeping windows alive and more compatible with their software than linux. The majority of useful software (i mean proper useful not video games ext) are linux compatible anyway. Most big technology research centres use linux because of its compatibility with he programs THEY need for doing USEFUL things.
i would hope the developers of trem2 would not have been so paranoid of this change and helped technology advance in this area but it seems that they are intent on clinging to inferior operating systems like windows.
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You have to go with the crowd. Ol' Bully Boy Gates built his empire out of cheep computers that made spreadsheets and word docs. CHEEP was the word on everyone's mind. Still kind of is.
Point being: Since Windows and Mac are commercial, they are regulated. Kept under control. Linux is a highly customizable platform, with distro after distro of stuff. Game companies can't make different games or engines for everybody. Heck, they don't even know whether or not your version of Linux has a GUI. At the very least, they'd make people have to switch over to something like Ubuntu, which some people might not want to do, and then they say exactly what gareth is saying.
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yes cheap half describes MS windows well, u pay a shitload of money, and get a cheap tacky piece of rubbish for your money. gunther, yes there are more than 1 distro, but games would only need to be compatible with one, like fedora for example. Anyone can use fedora, it is a perfect replacement for MS windows. HA linux is much more controlled than windows/MAC. windows or mac have so much malware its unbelievable that they are still usable. Linux is controlled, as the user can do anything he/she wants including doing nothing and it will work fine. any computer litterate person can do whatever he wants with linux, but forget doing anything in windows/MAC. I dont know what peoples problem is with linux, but these coders that are so against the future are really holding technology back.
cheap, u wanna pay for crummy software. gunther, you get linux for free!
the problem is companies like microsoft and apple don't care about their customers, and sooner or later people will realise open source software like linux has so much more to offer them for so much less.
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i would hope the developers of trem2 would not have been so paranoid of this change and helped technology advance in this area but it seems that they are intent on clinging to inferior operating systems like windows.
Now that's getting into troll territory. (http://www.dutchforce.com/~eforum/html/emoticons/thumbsup.gif)
Everyone designs games for Windows, because 90% of the adult population doesn't even know what Linux is, much less give two and a half shits about it.
They bought their computers, and they're not changing until their systems can't handle it anymore. Then they will go out and buy the easiest, most stable, and most supported device to use for their needs. Normally, this means Mac or Windows.
Linux is a specialty OS. Good for programming. Windows and Mac are good for literally everything else.
If you own a Linux machine, there's a chance you also own a copy of Windows somewhere.
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umm, windows only has compatibility with some software types
Windows is compatible because it uses most popular and most used extensions.
because humans in general fear change,
Also that's general why Windows is so compatible. If you don't fear the change, you can freely try to do stuffs only on Linux as many people are doing right now. Linux is lovely great badass OS but .exe incompatible which means for developers "k thnx bai". The first step to massive gaming on Linux made Valve by making Steam compatible for Linux and that's great. Gabe Newell also said that Linux is going to be the future. Well why not? The only thing we need, is many companies which are headed for extensions like tar tar.gz and not rar neither zip, and conf instead of Windows's cfg.
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What am I saying is that, you have true but you can't criticize Rotacak for something he can't help with. Wait for more Linux people and you'll have maybe Trem2 on Linux.
Also community is very demandful and since it will be mostly some kids who are "skilled" with Windows by clicking on executable files without using cmd, they will find Linux too harsh on their smooth brain.
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This means twice as much coding, twice as much testing and patching, and twice as much effort to release an update, however.
Tremulous is built on linux. Compatable with macintosh [unofficially] and windows.
Why not have a linux version?
by then the statistics could even be reversed
Doubtful. The world runs on Windows, that fact is not likely to change, unless Linux develops a better operating system than Windows for your average computer illiterate.
windows is a dying piece of software
[1]Cite your sources.
it seems stupid that by the time the game is released, a significant proportion of the audience could have to dual boot their PC's or use WINE...
[2]A significant portion of the audience barely has enough money for a decent computer.
if you are going to charge for this game you have to provide proper support.
[3]AAA-Games will provide support... for Windows 7 or better.
[1]It's true whether you like it or not. A year ago we had double the player count.
(http://tremulous.net/graphs/servers-year.png)
[2]True. I use a computer which barely handles games like TF2 and Xonotic. But still, i can use vmware + ubuntu 10.1 without problems for tremulous 1.1 modding.
[3]WHAAAA? Tell me this is false. Tell me it would support, at least, xp.
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windows only has the most used extensions, because these code writers are still writing for it. Yes that is the only problem with Linux, is peoples lack of knowledge of its existence, but those who do know of it, are likely to use it. When Linux starts to raise awareness, people are likely to start using it very quickly, and before you know it you could have 90% of PC users could have a version of Linux installed on their machine as well.
"Windows and Mac are good for literally everything else"
-compatibility with modern day low grade PC software,
-video gaming
That is all windows has over Linux whereas Linux has
-compatibility with advanced software,
-security,
-ease of use
-customisability
-innovation
-no costs
-proper user support
-reliability
if you have Linux, the only place you are likely to have a copy of windows, is in the trash ;)
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most of what you have just said is completely irrelevant to your point,
2012 award for logic.
92.4% linux
Source?
Server OS and like is linux indeed, but you dont instal server OS on home computers. 70% of home computers ar taken by windows, the number might oscillate but Win will remain the majority of OS for the next years. Think 10+ years.
The people who USE computers to do real tasks are much more likely to use linux as it is much more useful for those who CAN use a computer.
But they don't since most software is designed for Windows.
the only advantage MS windows has is video gaming
Software.
Linux is faster
It's not.
easier to use
For a total idiot both systems have the same level of "usability".
it will also match windows in video gaming
It won't. Nobody cares for 1,64% of people, for developing 2 different engines is financially stupid. After the sales are closed linux version would be funded by the windows version.
as they can provide SO much more to the consumer
Sure. Give an example.
the GUI is no different to MS windows XP
AFAIK the win-like GUI was first, than moved to linux.
The open source community fixes it, unlike microsoft who don't care about their customers
Uninformed nab. Ever heard about windows auto update? Service packs?
just proving your lack of knowledge about different software platforms
Lol, who's talking :D
A company can never get close to providing the service and quality that open source does
Well ok, then why there is over 35 times more have-to-buy-windows-run computers than FREE linux ones?
If win would be shit, nobody would buy it.
might want to start thinking your arguments through more thoroughly...
Start using your own advice.
The majority of useful software
Name it.
u pay a shitload of money
Not really a shitload.
litterate person
Your cat is a litterate person.
really holding technology back
OS has nothing to do with hardware development.
the problem is companies like microsoft and apple don't care about their customers
Give some MS or Apple examples.
reliability
I use Win XP SP3. I haven't reinstalled, formatted, defragmented this installation for last 3 years. It runs smoothly and has hang up ONCE (Unique Phoenixs' Trem mod). Is that reliable enough?
If the linux is so amazing, do a partition resize, install windows and you can play T2.
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Tremulous is built on linux.
Tremulous 2 is built on UE3 -incompatible with Linux, Virus.
A company can never get close to providing the service and quality that open source does
Yeah, we've only waited the better part of four years, only to find out 1.2 is never scheduled to release.
Look how awesome and high quality Unvanquished turned out. It was a total disappointment that last time I checked, 15 people played daily.
Financial gain is the driving force of commerce. Open source has no central drive behind it, besides the whimsical fun-having of the people that like to code. Personally, I think T2 being undertaken as a commercial project is the greatest landmark in Trem history. It means the devs must make it good, must make it popular, and must make us like it. Open source projects like 1.1 and Linux are just a bunch of geeks collaborating across wires to have fun, when you make that argument.
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seriously, you are comparing video games to operating systems? go back to school.
grmg, try reading what i said again, the source was provided by you...
USEFUL software (not video games)...
Microsoft's software is hugely inferior to Linux...
most useless software is designed for MS windows (aka video games and ammeter coding environments), most big companies/projects that are pushing the boundaries of modern technology use linux (the hadron collider for one example)
Linux performs better on average than windows for the same hardware in gaming...
once again i am looking at whats happening in the future, not whats happening now, you need to get your tenses sorted.
i have already said what more they can provide, go and read it,
HA windows update is a joke, you can update linux almost as often as you want, and not at all if you wish. Updates are fast and effective in Linux, and problems are fixed Quickly unlike the few months you could spend waiting with MS windows,
Of course software is integrated in hardware development!
Don't care about their customers- lack of fast software fixes, lack of competitive prices, lack of general care for the consumer
2 different engines financially stupid? umm they have one for windows and MAC (thats 2),
win is shit, just most people don't know there's a better alternative,
useful software, everything that is in Linux, code development environments, CNC controllers, everything that "makes the world run"
like i said, i would never put such insecure software anywhere near my PC,
MS windows costs infinitely more than Linux,
And you've been using the same software for 3 years? come out of your cave and see the new world...
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How much more does this need to be discussed?
Linux is better than Windows, good.
But all the noobs are on Windows and all the money is on Mac.
Linux has people who get stuff done and get it done for free instead of playing games, which does not help people wanting to make money.
Besides, the engine isn't avalible for Linux anyway. (Which was mentioned earlier)
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I agree, this is venturing closer and closer to troll territory at this point.
ammeter coding environments
I use analog gagues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhuvXIfMbi0), anyways. Digital gauges can kiss my A$$. If you truly need a digital voltage reference, you can build a better one one with a current shunt and a zener diode. You can also build an RCtimer circuit if you're using a microcontroller... that's how most digital gauges work, anyways.
If I truly need an accurate measurement, I'll break out my 70's Tektronix scope.
Linux performs better on average than windows for the same hardware in gaming...
With Linux, hardware is irrelevant. Nobody makes Linux games. The fact that Valve is porting a Linux client doesn't change anything. Steam has very few Mac games available, and if Linux is as close to Mac as you claim, the two will have about the same number of games available for them in the end (this is exempting exclusively Valve releases, of course).
Microsoft's software is hugely inferior to Linux...
That's bordering on arrogance. All software has pros and cons, some software is better for certain applications than others. No piece of software is 'inferior' to another. Linux is more efficient with programming and resource development than Windows. But that's not to say it can universally defeat Windows when it comes to compatibility and user friendliness.
useful software, everything that is in Linux, code development environments, CNC controllers, everything that "makes the world run"
Most FPGAs, Microcontrollers, and stepper controllers I've ever dealt with are programmed in Verilog, VHDL, BASIC variants, and Ladder-Logic. The only Linux programming language I've ever encountered is 'G'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIC_microcontroller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIC_microcontroller)
And you've been using the same software for 3 years? come out of your cave and see the new world...
When it comes to technology, age is irrelevant... only performance and reliability.
Railroads use the same diesel engines (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i59c2Cz-wOA) today that they bought in 1955.
Electric cars use technology that was invented by GM in 1912.
The US early warning radar system was developed in the 50's. Bug fixes and new computers have been installed, but it still uses the exact same principle today.
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and now we are comparing operating systems to methods of transport? oh dear, oh dear indeed...
MS windows is no more user friendly than linux,
ammeter was a fail spell checker :3
what you missed is that linux has a much more promising future than MAC, so will still take off, and overtake MS windows.
of course hardware is relevant! how isn't it? you claimed that linux was slower, the speed is a combination of the hardware and the software, and with both operating systems on the same hardware, linux is faster.
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Tremulous 2 is not releasing for Linux or Mac. Send the developers an e-mail if you want to talk to them further about the possibilities of it releasing for Mac or Linux. This thread holds no informational value at this point.
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o.0 i thought there was going to be a MAC release....
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Okay, first off, I'd like to point out that your claim that "if people knew about it, they would use it" is completely and utterly false.
Out of the 20 people that I know know about Linux, only 2 of them actually use it. I'm not one of those people because I don't want to deal with the unreliability and bugs in opensource bullshit software.
Medic is right. Projects absolutely need to have a financial drive behind them if nothing else to be successful. Take a look at every Linux server OS there is, and you'll see Red Hat at the top. Why is this you ask? It's closed-source, proprietary, offers all the same compatibilities/incompatibilites as any other version of Linux, and is maintained by a company who is being paid an assload of money to keep it smooth.
Linux may be faster overall, but that's not true about many of them. If you take something like Zorin-OS, it takes just as long as Windows if not longer to boot. Ubuntu is definitely heading in that direction.
Also, I'm also surprised if there won't be a Mac release. There shouldn't be much additional coding required because UE3 is Mac-compatible. (Forgive my ignorance if it's not that simple.)
Edit: If anyone saw me put Fedora in place of Red Hat Linux, get your judgement off of me. They're both headwear. >.>
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open source (...) - whimsical fun-having of the people that like to code
There, you nailed it.
Thats why most popular games and software are made by companies and not open source. You need a drive (we make a great game, have fun making it and earn a shitload of $ afterwards) and means to do it successfully ($, management, goal setting, feedback loop etc.).
Personally, I think T2 being undertaken as a commercial project is the greatest landmark in Trem history.
Front page material, so true :D
means the devs must make it good, must make it popular, and must make us like it.
Bad games do not get popular. You have to deliver in FIRST version or GTFO.
Anyway, for the previous post Medic gets "1 karma per year".
USEFUL software (not video games)...
Microsoft's software is hugely inferior to Linux...
I asked you to provide examples. Do so if you can.
the hadron collider for one example
Sure, it is a great exaple of amazing technology, but a bad example here, you cannot compare it to anything for there is only ONE lhc :)
once again i am looking at whats happening in the future
Well, in your future, does T2 get released for linux?
Of course software is integrated in hardware development!
Give examples, outside the gaming please.
win is shit, just most people don't know there's a better alternative
I've worked on some ubuntu few years ago. Can't really tell how is one worse or better than the other.
everything that "makes the world run"
Sure, but we're not talking about running a industrial-grade stuff (in which unix and derivatives win, hand down) but about home computers.
And you've been using the same software for 3 years?
Well, since I have no need to run Vista, 7 or 8, why would I install it? Because it has a higher number in name?
see the new world...
Example?
what you missed is that linux has a much more promising future than MAC, so will still take off, and overtake MS windows.
Hahahahahahahahaha :D
Again Gareth, give examples next time.
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I've worked on some ubuntu few years ago. Can't really tell how is one worse or better than the other.
Yeah, except one is less buggy and more people use it. :f
I would always get fed up with Windows, and move to Ubuntu for like, 2 months, until I got fed up by the lack of decent compatible software that I know how to use, and the ridiculous number of bugs that it has keeping me from being able to work efficiently.
IMO, Canonical needs to stop releasing major annual updates to Ubuntu and try to perfect each version before anything else.
Now mind you, I'm not a Windows fanboy, and I realize that their OS really is starting to die. (Mostly because of Windows 8 *shudder*) I will gladly switch OSes as long as it has Adobe compatibility, Steam and game compatibility, a non-glitchy Skype, Spotify, is easy to install Chrome on, etc.
Basically, I'm leaving it up to the developers to give me a reason to completely trash Windows.
I've been using Windows 7 since it came out, and have been nothing but happy with it aside from my own shortcomings with system maintenance.
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There will be a Mac release.
It sounds like most of this conversation is bent on getting more post count than real fact.
If you want to keep going at it about who's better or worse, PM spam or post in the off-topic section.
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if any of the bugs you find stop you using it, you should move to a much simpler version of Linux... you do realise there are different distributions of Linux? OR, don't update to the most recent version, keep an update or two behind, you don't need to be to smart to work this out for yourself...
and again grmg learn to read what i have said
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Yes, I know that there are dozens of different distributions, and the bugs aren't the biggest issue. It's the lack of decent software.
Linux could be the fastest most amazingly secure operating system that has ever existed, but without application support, nobody is going to use it.
And Gunther is right. This is ridiculous, and you're trying to prove points that nobody here agrees with.
Can someone close this thread?
Points have been made enough, right? >.>
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Linux is faster
It's not.
The open source community fixes it, unlike microsoft who don't care about their customers
Uninformed nab. Ever heard about windows auto update? Service packs?
just proving your lack of knowledge about different software platforms
Lol, who's talking :D
-It is to. I can't run windows or macintosh on my VM program, but Linux can. This is pure evidence.
-Isn't that a + side to linux?
-Last time i partitianed my HDD it completely died off. This was a macintosh btw.
Tremulous 2 is not releasing for Linux or Mac. Send the developers an e-mail if you want to talk to them further about the possibilities of it releasing for Mac or Linux. This thread holds no informational value at this point.
https://www.facebook.com/tremulous2game?fref=ts
There's a title that says that is supports macintosh and windows.
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if any of the bugs you find stop you using it, you should move to a much simpler version of Linux... you do realise there are different distributions of Linux? OR, don't update to the most recent version, keep an update or two behind
So much for 'superior open-source technology'.
Yeah, you pretty much just killed every single one of your last 10 posts.
Pardon me while I
TROLOLO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2Z4m4lnjxkY#t=111s)
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how have I, i have just helped you realise you are not able to comprehend software development as use a developing piece of software, I have not comprehended any of my points...
anyway, this is my last post on this matter as gunther is right, this has gone far enough.
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if any of the bugs you find stop you using it, you should move to a much simpler version of Linux... you do realise there are different distributions of Linux? OR, don't update to the most recent version, keep an update or two behind
So much for 'superior open-source technology'.
lol I just use ubuntu 10.1 meerkat somthing... Trem 1.1 can't be compiled on ubuntu 12 so i won't update it at all, except for the libraries from u.11
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grmg learn to read what i have said
Fortunately for my mind, it is not mandatory to do so :D
how have I, i have just helped you realise you are not able to comprehend software development as use a developing piece of software, I have not comprehended any of my points...
lol, what? :D
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how have I, i have just helped you realise you are not able to comprehend software development as use a developing piece of software, I have not comprehended any of my points...
lol, what? :D
I didn't understand that either.
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software development as use a developing piece of software, I have not comprehended any of my points...
(http://i.abcd.bz/uploads/2011/07/English-Mother-Fucker.jpeg)
anyway, this is my last post on this matter as gunther is right, this has gone far enough.
This thread holds no informational value at this point.
Beat you to it by about 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 53 seconds.
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There will be no Linux version.
I think many current users will be not happy same as me if the project is not
- on linux
- open source
as Unva is , with the kicstarter idea from other post, if other engine is used there is no much reason for doing it otherway.
There are many grand and open-source engines, e.g. Doom 3 level of graphics (the techincal, not the art) is enough imo.
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Game will be paid for, plain and simple. No Linux version as the engine does not support it, also plain and simple. Why is this hard to grasp? If you don't like, don't buy.
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Game will be paid for, plain and simple. No Linux version as the engine does not support it, also plain and simple. Why is this hard to grasp? If you don't like, don't buy.
Game can be payable while open-source, as all Doom and Quake where (art files where copyrighted under ACTA-SOPA part of the world).
If game would be in this way then I know I would buy it, otherwise not so interesting.
Btw linuxes soon will be majority of devices, and are already a majority on mobiles, with windows fading, but that is not now relevant to this game which is obviously for desktop. btw who knows how popular android consoles will be in 2 years?.
But linux is 1-2% on desktop now. More important question could be how is current TREM USERBASE divided, I bet 10-80% are Linux.
And then will Trem2 aim to recap this community, including all former and "possible" players which can be quite big community, or totally ignore this market and instead go for hardcore gamers.
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I think many current users will be not happy same as me if the project is not
- on linux
- open source
- No Linux.
- Closed source commercial undertaking, selling for ~$19.99 on Steam.
There are many grand and open-source engines, e.g. Doom 3 level of graphics (the techincal, not the art) is enough imo.
Game is being developed for Unreal Engine 3. Open source engines can't come close.
Game will be paid for, plain and simple. No Linux version as the engine does not support it, also plain and simple. Why is this hard to grasp? If you don't like, don't buy.
^^^
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Game can be payable while open-source, as all Doom and Quake where (art files where copyrighted under ACTA-SOPA part of the world).
Doom, Quake, and T1.1/1.2 all have shitty-ass graphics, physics, and abilities within their engines, no matter how fun they are. Welcome to 2012 - get up to speed, or go back to Doom.
If game would be in this way then I know I would buy it, otherwise not so interesting.
So even if T2 servers will be as customizable as they were T1.1, you still won't buy it if you can't see the source code? Derp.
But linux is 1-2% on desktop now. More important question could be how is current TREM USERBASE divided, I bet 10-80% are Linux.
And then will Trem2 aim to recap this community, including all former and "possible" players which can be quite big community, or totally ignore this market and instead go for hardcore gamers.
The engine can't support Linux. Period.
The devs are not using another engine. Period.
The devs are not giving away a game they have quit their jobs to make. Period.
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UE3 isn't compatible with linux, UE4 will be at least I heard so.
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Doom, Quake, and T1.1/1.2 all have shitty-ass graphics, physics, and abilities within their engines, no matter how fun they are. Welcome to 2012 - get up to speed, or go back to Doom.
This is the point you are missing, nigga: if I would like wank off to zomg 3D with trilinear anisotropic x32 ftw graphical wankfest, then I would not be at all a Tremulous player today.
I would be a Halo or other shit player.
Question is which community is the target and how big part of current Trem/Unva players will not play T2 if it is not linux/opensource.
On example:
- adding to game new building - x2 more fun
- adding to game blood + sounds effect when headshot - x2 more fun
- adding to that above headshot effect will be trilinear with x16 AA on edges of sprites - I do not give two fucks about it.
So even if T2 servers will be as customizable as they were T1.1, you still won't buy it if you can't see the source code? Derp.
For starters because I don't use windows.
If it would run very well on wine then perhaps yes.
The engine can't support Linux. Period.
The devs are not using another engine. Period.
Well maybe you have a period, but this can be changed (other engine) or can change (engine being ported).
The devs are not giving away a game they have quit their jobs to make. Period.
No one said that they should give up money.
Can your brain comprehend that open source often makes shitloads of money?
I think Quake/Doom sales where pretty neat.
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This is the point you are missing, nigga
Wow, I really pissed you off, didn't I?
Question is which community is the target and how big part of current Trem/Unva players will not play T2 if it is not linux/opensource.
Steam community is the target audience, as it is ultimately there that they will be releasing the game. Steam users often demand high graphical intensity and very smooth, refined gameplay.
sprites
No.
Well maybe you have a period, but this can be changed (other engine) or can change (engine being ported).
Send the devs an E-mail. See what happens.
AAA-Games is a private organization, and they're in it for money in the long run. It's ultimately their call. So far, every answer we've seen indicates they're firmly sticking to UE3.
Can your brain comprehend that open source often makes shitloads of money?
Last I checked, open source software could be copied and pasted. Not much money involved in copying and pasting.
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graphical wankfest
It's not a necessity for a fun game, but it ain't gonna hurt anyone.
Question is which community is the target and how big part of current Trem/Unva players
Ask Rota :D
Well maybe you have a period, but this can be changed (other engine)
Who the fuck's gonna change engines when you have assets being done?
or can change (engine being ported).
Not even the orginal desighners of the engine deemed linux a worthy audience.
Can your brain comprehend that open source often makes shitloads of money?
Give an example.
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This is the point you are missing, nigga
Wow, I really pissed you off, didn't I?
Nigger, please. Really :)
other questions replied along with the other post below.
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Well maybe you have a period, but this can be changed (other engine)
Who the fuck's gonna change engines when you have assets being done?
Really all models are done and all needed to do now is export the final version tomorrow and release beta next week? Nonsense.
At this stage it should be trivial to have same model used in other engine.
Modern engines should support same formats, and exporting it probably least worry of the 3d artists.
It's the reason why even amateur kids exported models between Q1,Q2,Q3, Doom and so on, changing engines.
Can your brain comprehend that open source often makes shitloads of money?
Give an example.
Open source mozilla/firefox gets millions, e.g. 56,000,000 $ in year 2006 from Google (biggest sponsor) alone.
Linux Android is most popular operating system on smartphones and is even better founded for sure :)
Btw.:
Not even the orginal desighners of the engine deemed linux a worthy audience.
And Nokia didn't considered Linux a good OS for phone after 2010 and they chosen loldows 8 phone.
Btw this decision seems to be main reason why nokia circles the drain next to Blackberry/RMI.
Linux mobile (as openmoko) was not a success but just 2 years later Android sure is.
Maybe it will happen to world of gaming too, maybe not, but you can not use this logic of yours to say it will definitely not happen.
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ppl calm the funk down stop being racist 'bout niggas because trolleybus really eat hamburgers
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exporting it probably least worry of the 3d artists
Having done some basic experiments with Freespace and FreeAllegiance, I must say that it was not the easiest part.
It's the reason why even amateur kids exported models between Q1,Q2,Q3, Doom and so on, changing engines.
Have you actually seen this or are you pulling stuff out of your ass to suit you?
Open source mozilla/firefox gets millions, e.g. 56,000,000 $ in year 2006 from Google (biggest sponsor) alone.
How the fuck do you imagine that with open source games? Silly nab :D
Linux Android is most popular operating system on smartphones and is even better founded for sure
Initially developed by Android, Inc., whom Google financially backed and later purchased in 2005
So you see, Android is not open-source-done-like-most. It is based on linux, sure, but the developing and release owns its success to Google managers, not to Google programmers coding in their spare time.
to say it will definitely not happen.
It will definitely not happen. Linux community doesn't have the power, the money, the motivation and the drive do release something as popular as windows. Get over it.
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Open source mozilla/firefox gets millions, e.g. 56,000,000 $ in year 2006 from Google (biggest sponsor) alone.
How the fuck do you imagine that with open source games? Silly nab :D
Like this:
Wasteland 2 is an upcoming post-apocalyptic role-playing video game and is under development by inXile Entertainment and Obsidian Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X and Linux.
Wasteland 2 Kickstarter ended on the April 17,
raising a total of $2,933,252
Bam!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_2
Problem :} ?
Though it is now a fact that cross-platform open-source games can make loads of money, still ofc. Rota is free to do what ever with his company and his game. Just saying way as above is possible :)
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Problem?
You are a troll, idiot and should be interned somewhere near south pole without access to the internet for being a stupid nab :D
1. It's not an open source game, you changed the subject here from "open-source-Mozilla" to "kickstarter-game-on-linux".
2. Rather un-generic exaple, yougnab. Having played (and finished) Fallout 1, 2, Tactics and 3 multiple times, the name "Brian Fargo" automatically has "War. War never changes" added to in.
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Problem?
You are a troll, idiot and should be interned somewhere near south pole without access to the internet for being a stupid nab :D
1. It's not an open source game, you changed the subject here from "open-source-Mozilla" to "kickstarter-game-on-linux".
2. Rather un-generic exaple, yougnab. Having played (and finished) Fallout 1, 2, Tactics and 3 multiple times, the name "Brian Fargo" automatically has "War. War never changes" added to in.
Piss off will ya polak? You're very annoying with your "oh you're wrong"-like annoying messages and you keep thinking "im so smart i tried everything" but you use only facts and theories so FUCK OFF, you can equal with lancer stupid idiot. report me but you'll get banned as soon as me...
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"im so smart i tried everything"
The truth is - I am somewhat smart and I've tried many things.
but you use only facts and theories
Lol? :D
Anyway, thats all you got KID? :D
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Problem?
You are a troll, idiot and should be interned somewhere near south pole without access to the internet for being a stupid nab :D
1. It's not an open source game, you changed the subject here from "open-source-Mozilla" to "kickstarter-game-on-linux".
This game gets 3 millions before hand, so it can as well be open sourced.
If you want even more moneys then you can have it as open-source but NOT FREE, then the people who respect imaginary property rights will pay for it anyway, and the ones that do not will pirate it anyway.
So name any reason why such a game should make less money while being non-free open-source. There isn't any.
Or, you can go full open-source total-free and then this aspect might give you more kickstart backers love while not loosing much.
2. Rather un-generic exaple, yougnab. Having played (and finished) Fallout 1, 2, Tactics and 3 multiple times, the name "Brian Fargo" automatically has "War. War never changes" added to in.
Trem can be cool in other ways, e.g. being maybe first so big FPS game that is 100% open-source,
or just the fact that this is trem.
Look now this is a complex subject, but for sure open-source can make money of which many closed-source studios dream.
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Notice that we're back from kickstarter-game-on-linux to open-source-game.
what your point is here
My point is: you chose an example that is very unique, because the game you mentioned is being done by a very "famous" dude. He made The Fallout series. You want to do a more realistic comparison - start a kickstarter for open-source-free-Tremulous3 yourself and then report how much money you got.
This game gets 3 millions before hand, so it can as well be open sourced
It could be open sourced without raising 3mil. Even more - 3 mil. do not guarantee a success. Brian Fargo being the developer does.
then the people who respect imaginary property rights will pay for it anyway, and the ones that do not will pirate it anyway.
True.
So name any reason why such a game should make less money while being non-free open-source. There isn't any.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_video_game
So far none open sourced game, free or not free, had as big success as non-open sourced.
Further discussion with you is a waste of time. You have your opinion I have mine, I don't feel the need to be right.
Nab :D
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> Notice that we're back from kickstarter-game-on-linux to open-source-game.
Yeah, on both ideas I presented how it is possible. Not trivial. But possible.
Is it harder then with closed source? One (Rota?) should check the market.
I did some pools few times, even today, on RCZ UBP server:
Do you play trem on non-windows computer
Yes:11 No:9
Linux might be 1% of desktop users (and 50% of smartphones ;)
but is 40-60% of Tremulous Players.
This might be important.
Trem players = thousands that played trem few times, not the 40 that are online daily.
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Nigger, please. Really :)
Showing your racist side won't get you an open-source Linux version of Tremulous 2 not built on UE3 that you got for free.
That's called 1.1.
At this stage it should be trivial to have same model used in other engine.
You've never touched 3D modelling software in your life.
It's the reason why even amateur kids exported models between Q1,Q2,Q3, Doom and so on, changing engines.
Show. Me.
Open source mozilla/firefox gets millions, e.g. 56,000,000 $ in year 2006 from Google (biggest sponsor) alone.
Mozilla Firefox is one of the most popular internet browers in the world. There are a total of less than or equal to 50,000 people on earth that have heard of, much less remotely like Tremulous 1.1/1.2. There are about 35~115 unique players per day in total across all 1.1 and 1.2 servers right now. Tell me how Google is going to sponsor a startup Indie game developer nobody's heard of, that's not even based in the same country as them no matter how good they may be.
Linux Android is most popular operating system on smartphones and is even better founded for sure :)
Android is a closed-source project built on the Linux infrastructure. Quit pulling shit out of your ass.
And Nokia didn't considered Linux a good OS for phone after 2010 and they chosen loldows 8 phone.
Btw this decision seems to be main reason why nokia circles the drain next to Blackberry/RMI.
Linux mobile (as openmoko) was not a success but just 2 years later Android sure is.
Aside from the fact that T2 is not a mobile operating system...
Android is a private, closed-source project based on the Linux infrastructure.
Maybe it will happen to world of gaming too, maybe not, but you can not use this logic of yours to say it will definitely not happen.
Y2k didn't happen. 2012 didn't happen. 1.2 didn't happen, either. A small group of people said they all would happen. Are you going to be part of a small group of people that says T2 will be released based on a free engine as a free open-source project?
Wasteland 2 is an upcoming post-apocalyptic role-playing video game and is under development by inXile Entertainment and Obsidian Entertainment
Tremulous 2 is an experimental FPS-RTS PC game, and is under development by a company absolutely nobody knows.
you can have it as open-source but NOT FREE, then the people who respect imaginary property rights will pay for it anyway, and the ones that do not will pirate it
Which is why open-source is not a good idea for a tiny little company like AAA, which only has a tiny little community - all of which is intellectually capable of locating an illegal copy of the game for free, provided it is released in open source.
Closed-sourcing on Steam makes this totally impossible with very little effort from the devs.
Or, you can go full open-source total-free and then this aspect might give you more kickstart backers love while not loosing much.
Again, nobody out there knows what Tremulous is. The Trem community itself is a small group of far less than 10,000 people.
but for sure open-source can make money of which many closed-source studios dream.
Keep dreaming.
Closed-source companies like Arenanet, Blizzard, and Valve make $3M look like pocket change.
Linux might be 1% of desktop users (and 50% of smartphones ;)
but is 40-60% of Tremulous Players.
Again, there are less than 50,000 people in the world that have even heard of, and remember Tremulous.
50% of nothing is still nothing.
"Figures never lie. But liars sure can figure."
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Nigger, please. Really :)
Showing your racist side won't get you an open-source Linux version of Tremulous 2 not built on UE3 that you got for free.
Irrelevant to the topic, my nigga.
At this stage it should be trivial to have same model used in other engine.
You've never touched 3D modelling software in your life.
Urmom is so fat, that even she knows ad-personal attacks are idiotic.
Try again if you have any arguments or do not spam posts without any merit :)
It's the reason why even amateur kids exported models between Q1,Q2,Q3, Doom and so on, changing engines.
Show. Me.
Converting md2 <-> md3 formats are so easy to find, just fucking google it.
http://www.ehow.com/how_7613312_convert-md3-md2.html
When you have blender 3d studio max / maya or what ever they use "source" file they can export to many formats. You can just fucking google it as well and even read tutorials if you think that is not possible.
Open source mozilla/firefox gets millions, e.g. 56,000,000 $ in year 2006 from Google (biggest sponsor) alone.
Mozilla Firefox is one of the most popular internet browers in the world.
And we do not need 50 million USD, hit games cost 0.5-5 often afair (just google yourself few reviews from game magazines).
Tell me how Google is going to sponsor a startup Indie game developer nobody's heard of,
Not saying it must be google. Someone said it is impossible for open source to get serious founding so I shown you how mistaken you where on this point, based on the facts I linked above.
Linux Android is most popular operating system on smartphones and is even better founded for sure :)
Android is a closed-source project built on the Linux infrastructure. Quit pulling shit out of your ass.
Android is a private, closed-source project based on the Linux infrastructure.
LOL.
Could you at least check first page on Wikipedia before spreading missinformation?
Android is open source:
look - here you can download the source code of Android mobile operating system/platform:
http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html :)
And Nokia didn't considered Linux a good OS for phone after 2010 and they chosen loldows 8 phone.
Btw this decision seems to be main reason why nokia circles the drain next to Blackberry/RMI.
Linux mobile (as openmoko) was not a success but just 2 years later Android sure is.
Maybe it will happen to world of gaming too, maybe not, but you can not use this logic of yours to say it will definitely not happen.
Y2k didn't happen. 2012 didn't happen. 1.2 didn't happen, either. A small group of people said they all would happen. Are you going to be part of a small group of people that says T2 will be released based on a free engine as a free open-source project?
Here I shown you and other forum readers how open source can be very commercially successful both if non-free, as well as when done completely free (in pricing terms).
How will T2 go will be decided by Rota but hopefully he can consider ideas here too.
Which is why open-source is not a good idea for a tiny little company like AAA, which only has a tiny little community - all of which is intellectually capable of locating an illegal copy of the game for free, provided it is released in open source.
And if they do not pay then they will not get the game.
The beauty of crowdfunding in advance :)
Crowd sourcing ("kickstarter") used as in pay all in advance, then for free - is the perfect anti piracy really.
No one can break it. If people do not pay as much as Rota needs, then no one gets the game and Rota does not risk working while being unsure about income size in next years.
but for sure open-source can make money of which many closed-source studios dream.
Keep dreaming.
No need, above and in prev post here I given example of $ 2,900,000 for founded in advance FPS game, and over 58,000,000 for open-source project. This did happened already.
I'm not saying this will be easy or will happen with T2 too but I see lots of potential in such a move with not so much downside if you calculate carefully (or, someone who can actually google stuff instead saying stupid shit like that Andorid is not open-source, but maybe you can get a hold of yourself and join real discussion still too.)
Closed-source companies like Arenanet, Blizzard, and Valve make $3M look like pocket change.
Yes. And I do not think T2 closed source will be such a huge hit as them, I think getting 3,000,000 would be very good well on this we can ask Rota.
Again, there are less than 50,000 people in the world that have even heard of, and remember Tremulous.
And many people that would pay for professional native linux FPS open-source game.
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Irrelevant to the topic, my nigga.
Not your topic.
Urmom is so fat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0qMpmYXl8A0#t=18s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0qMpmYXl8A0#t=18s)
NO, UR MUM IS SU FET!
No, really. Yo'mamma jokes aren't funny. Don't go all potty-mouth on me, either.
do not spam posts without any merit
Not gonna say anything.
Wikipedia
No.
Here I shown you and other forum readers how open source can be very commercially successful both if non-free, as well as when done completly free (in pricing terms).
Stop echoing.
It can be done, if the company is very well known, and it has a very large support base.
Tremulous is not very well known, and does not have any support base.
will be decided by Rota but hopefully he can consider ideas here too.
He's only been watching this thread for the last 50+ posts. Lol. Silence is the universal 'no'. Especially when he's already said No.
Trem is known as like 1 of 3 good linux FPS.
That's because it's one of the few good FPS games that can be played on linux. And there are STILL only 45 players daily.
"linux guys" are very unhappy about it being closedsource.
"linux guys" knew exactly what they were shutting themselves off from when they went and threw away their copy of Windows. They made their decision, they can suck it up and live with it for all I care.
And if they do not pay then they will not get the game.
The beauty of crowdfunding in advance :)
It's perfect anti piracy really.
No one can break it. If people do not pay as much as Rota needs, then no one gets the game and Rota does not risk working while being unsure about income size in next years.
It's called a 'Venture-Capital Loan', and I'm pretty sure AAA has already taken one out if they're actually serious.
The closed source games that are on Steam are not piratable?
They are not on the pirate bay? really?
For example which popular game?
All of them.
You can pirate the game all day long, but if you don't have permission from the Steam authentication servers to use it, it's just wasted hard drive space.
AFAIK, all Steam games authenticate on launch.
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The closed source games that are on Steam are not piratable?
They are not on the pirate bay? really?
For example which popular game?
All of them.
You can pirate the game all day long, but if you don't have permission from the Steam authentication servers to use it, it's just wasted hard drive space.
AFAIK, all Steam games authenticate on launch.
That really doesn't matter. What makes the game un-pirateable is (so far) a log-in system...unlike nice "acquired" Valve games like Portal. :D
Why spam more? Three people posting random crap to prove the others wrong while being proven wrong already.
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Wikipedia
No.
Lol, you do not accept wikipedia and it's referneces as sources? Then there is nothing to discuss with you on the internet if you just refuse any arguments hehe :)
It can be done, if the company is very well known, and it has a very large support base.
It will be not so easy cashgrab as Carmagedon or Wastelands, but not necessary impossible.
They are using Kickstarter anyway.
If it will be DRM free it will get them more funding and more customers.
Run on linux - also (at least wine compatible).
And other points too, with downsides being what.. that other engine would be used. What is the next best engine that runs on linux?
Being open source: again 1) the engine choice 2) anti-botting is imo idiotic for the reasons stated above (that no one yet replied to) 3) anti-piracy is imo not needed at all (pirates gonna pirate, buyers gonna buy and that's it).
Now if you want to provide anything construcitve then sit down like I did, find some links get the numbers, then do some math, write pros/cons and then we know how different options might affect profitability & popularity of it.
If you don’t want to provide constructive feedback then fell free to suck my cock which picture you can find somewhere on RCZ trem gpp forum (it's amazingly sweet).
It's called a 'Venture-Capital Loan', and I'm pretty sure AAA has already taken one out if they're actually serious.
The problem remains but is then VC and/or publisher problem instead of AAA problem. Still it will affect AAA, Im sure they want game to be commercial success no matter how directly it affects their money.
The closed source games that are on Steam are not piratable?
They are not on the pirate bay? really?
For example which popular game?
All of them.
You can pirate the game all day long, but if you don't have permission from the Steam authentication servers to use it, it's just wasted hard drive space.
If you mean that the game server will not let the player in:
thank you for proving my point about piracy and close-source;
For anti piracy make game open-source because as we said anyone can get the CLIENT and make the SERVERS not accept invalid keys, or at least the best servers (yours).
If you where saying it about DRM, then DRM is always crackable and only the honest users are affected (read: pissed as fuck) by it. And they turn into pirates because they pay more and get WORSE service as not-pirates when it comes to DRM.
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"im so smart i tried everything"
The truth is - I am somewhat smart and I've tried many things.
but you use only facts and theories
Lol? :D
Anyway, thats all you got KID? :D
That's good question but for your rotten brain :)
You use what you know from websites, can't you understand? Then it's in later stage of brainrot, I see.
"im so smart i tried everything"
The truth is - I am somewhat smart and I've tried many things.
That's actually what I said, you just agreed with me, now gtfo.
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EpicalDude: I had to add new rule http://forum.tremulous2.com/index.php?topic=2.msg2#msg2 so please stop using "nigga" and "fat moms". If you want to continue, go there http://trem.rotaxmame.cz
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EpicalDude: I had to add new rule http://forum.tremulous2.com/index.php?topic=2.msg2#msg2 so please stop using "nigga" and "fat moms". If you want to continue, go there http://trem.rotaxmame.cz
Trem RCZ really wants to remain the better Trem :)
One more idea comes to mind: will the servers, protocol, be open enough so that a compatible open source clients could join if created?
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Lol, even the "most open source" Unanquished doesn't care about EpicNabs' vision.
Lol, hahahahahahaha :D
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Lol, even the "most open source" Unanquished doesn't care about EpicNabs' vision.
Lol, hahahahahahaha :D
yes very funny
http://forum.tremulous2.com/index.php?topic=2.msg2#msg2
now back to topic so i can read normal things.
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One more idea comes to mind: will the servers, protocol, be open enough so that a compatible open source clients could join if created?
I can not imagine that anyone would have to do that from scratch.
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I can not imagine that anyone would have to do that from scratch.
Ioquake / opendoom does it, but it was easier afair.. afair it happened with never opensourced games too but maybe not in FPS world yet.
Either way. How about: using that not-portable UE3 engine,
but open-sourcing *some files* that make it possible to have open source client done easier by someone else, eg the mods/qvm files, maybe art (even if in lower quality) and so on?
Current community is like this (from RCZ server)
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So based on this and the talks we have now and then with communities,
1) Current Tremulous Community - 50% or so will not likes closed T2 :|
2) Linux Gamers Community - most will not likes closed T2 :| obviously
3) Mainstream Games Community - doesn't give a shit about closed/open and will just compare game to other games.
I think there might be more money in grabbing 10% market in communities 1+2,
then in grabbing 0.001% of market in community 3 competing with best companies in the world with millions ready for marketing...
apparently T2 does not share this view.
Well time will tell.
Until then, I'm interested in any more arguments (with merit) for either opinion (or anything in between)
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/20/dungeon-defenders-ue3-linux/ (http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/20/dungeon-defenders-ue3-linux/)
http://www.chivalrythegame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7474 (http://www.chivalrythegame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7474)
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/20/dungeon-defenders-ue3-linux/ (http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/20/dungeon-defenders-ue3-linux/)
http://www.chivalrythegame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7474 (http://www.chivalrythegame.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7474)
"First linux ported unreal engine 3 game released!" (it's some tiny game afaik but still - yey).
Good links thanks.
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The first vote was voted no by me because I use Mac, not Linux.
The second vote was voted yes because I use Mac. (But Linux too, just not for Trem)
Third vote.....what? Are their any sane people who use Windows 8? And on mobile even? People vote yes for troll factor
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xD dude you made nice votes there
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Lol, even the "most open source" Unanquished doesn't care about EpicNabs' vision.
??? I don't get the joke.
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I don't get the joke.
http://unvanquished.net/forum/showthread.php/538-On-portability-linux-support-trem2-and-everything?p=5238#post5238 (http://unvanquished.net/forum/showthread.php/538-On-portability-linux-support-trem2-and-everything?p=5238#post5238)
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I don't get the joke.
http://unvanquished.net/forum/showthread.php/538-On-portability-linux-support-trem2-and-everything?p=5238#post5238 (http://unvanquished.net/forum/showthread.php/538-On-portability-linux-support-trem2-and-everything?p=5238#post5238)
Once again, stating that it will have to be available for Linux if it is to be availible for Mac.
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I know the client won't be Linux-compatible, but would the server-side hypothetically have any chance of being installed on a Linux server?
Just curious.
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I know the client won't be Linux-compatible, but would the server-side hypothetically have any chance of being installed on a Linux server?
Just curious.
Natively no. But it should work through Wine, without some features (rendering video streaming...).