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Official section => News => Topic started by: Rotacak on March 15, 2013, 05:28:36 PM
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Hello fans!
As you probably know, we hadn't the easiest days in the game development history. Actually we had pretty tough time, during which we thought hard about the future of our game. And after a couple of days we made the final decision:
We definitely want to maintain the gameplay of Tremulous 1.1, but we will not follow the look of original Tremulous. The objects (such as buildings, weapons etc..) will not be made with the original game in our minds. And yes, that by the way means, that we will also create our very own Aliens. In other words, expect similar gameplay, but almost everything else will be designed from scratch.
We feel, that it might be a bit disappointment for hardcore fans of the original game, so let's be clear about one thing: words can't describe how grateful we are for all of your support and the messages we received. We understand that you wanted to play sequel to such an exceptional game that Tremulous was. We wanted too. We also wanted to relive those unforgettable experiences with the original characters from the game. Unfortunately, new Granger, Dretch, Marauder and others will remain locked in the drawer. But don't be sad - there will be new game and new aliens. And we are commited to bring you the same, or even better gameplay. Of course, to create a new alien who will be better than Granger is almost unimaginable, but we have a lot of great ideas and we are going to try it anyway.
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Awesome! Good luck Rotacak :)
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That's the best way of evading from those stupid assholes. Good luck in future rota & co!
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Let's do this!
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Rotacat can i make models with google sketch up its a 3D designer
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Rotacat can i make models with google sketch up its a 3D designer
1.) Rotacak, not Rotacat
2.) Sketchup is a child's toy
3.) Sketchup files are completely incompatible with Unreal Engine 3, and just about every other engine out there AFAIK.
4.) I found 7 grammatic errors in that sentence. I am disappoint.
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*Rotacak ^
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Rotacat can i make models with google sketch up its a 3D designer
1.) Rotacak, not Rotacat
2.) Sketchup is a child's toy
3.) Sketchup files are completely incompatible with Unreal Engine 3, and just about every other engine out there AFAIK.
4.) I found 7 grammatic errors in that sentence. I am disappoint.
Sketch up is very good for buildings, not for models. I use 3ds max for modelling. Try it if you're student, it's free.
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That's the best way of evading from those stupid assholes. Good luck in future rota & co!
Those stupid assholes developed the game you loved. Added past tense for emphasizing your hatred because rota kept the tremulous name. I would predict that timbo wouldn't mind about the assets if you made the title different before he came out and threw a tantrum.
Btw, what's "co?"
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That's the best way of evading from those stupid assholes. Good luck in future rota & co!
Those stupid assholes developed the game you loved. Added past tense for emphasizing your hatred because rota kept the tremulous name. I would predict that timbo wouldn't mind about the assets if you made the title different before he came out and threw a tantrum.
Btw, what's "co?"
Those stupid assholes did made the game I loved, true, but that doesn't mean I will respect them. I lost respect for them already month ago. They ruined its continuing. That's why they're stupid assholes.
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I have lost any and all respect for the 1.1 "developers" that originally made Tremulous. Sure, the game was fun, and I logged more than 500 hours on it, but after all that has transpired... I really don't give a f*ck anymore.
They are dead to me, and so is their game. Which is why I'm here, cheering for the development of a newer, better game that I hope will put both 1.1 and 1.2 to shame and make the original devs envious as hell for their idiocy.
Let's be very honest: 1.1 was buggy, looked awful, had repetitive sounds, and had the world's cheapest animations. The ONLY reason it was fun was because of the gameplay. With this project, Rota plans to make it look and sound good, and actually support it after release, instead of saying "code it yourself" and walking away for three and a half years.
I had a lot of very good times playing 1.1, and I've got a lot of sentimental memories of it. But you have to remember, it's only that - sentiment. When the original devs turn down a professionally developed final release that we have all been waiting intently for for 3 years, and then go on to say that they'd rather see 1.1 die and be forgotten than allow such a project... that's betrayal.
Ultimately, I may have supported 1.1 in the past, but times change, and Timbo would have 1.1 die in the dust and become a memory.
So be it.
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Rotacat can i make models with google sketch up its a 3D designer
1.) Rotacak, not Rotacat
2.) Sketchup is a child's toy
3.) Sketchup files are completely incompatible with Unreal Engine 3, and just about every other engine out there AFAIK.
4.) I found 7 grammatic errors in that sentence. I am disappoint.
Sketch up is very good for buildings, not for models. I use 3ds max for modelling. Try it if you're student, it's free.
Thank you Very much.
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I have lost any and all respect for the 1.1 "developers" that originally made Tremulous. Sure, the game was fun, and I logged more than 500 hours on it, but after all that has transpired... I really don't give a f*ck anymore.
They are dead to me, and so is their game. Which is why I'm here, cheering for the development of a newer, better game that I hope will put both 1.1 and 1.2 to shame and make the original devs envious as hell for their idiocy.
Let's be very honest: 1.1 was buggy, looked awful, had repetitive sounds, and had the world's cheapest animations. The ONLY reason it was fun was because of the gameplay. With this project, Rota plans to make it look and sound good, and actually support it after release, instead of saying "code it yourself" and walking away for three and a half years.
I had a lot of very good times playing 1.1, and I've got a lot of sentimental memories of it. But you have to remember, it's only that - sentiment. When the original devs turn down a professionally developed final release that we have all been waiting intently for for 3 years, and then go on to say that they'd rather see 1.1 die and be forgotten than allow such a project... that's betrayal.
Ultimately, I may have supported 1.1 in the past, but times change, and Timbo wants 1.1 to die in the dust and become a memory.
So be it.
you have written it very good. +1
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They ruined rotacak's "illegal" commerical version. That's why they're stupid assholes.
Fixed. You could also add intellectual theft, but I'm not sure about it with the CC license.
They are dead to me, and so is their game.
(http://tremulous.net/graphs/servers-year.png)
1.actually support it after release, instead of saying "code it yourself" and walking away for three and a half years.
2. we have all been waiting intently for for 3 years, and then go on to say that they'd rather see 1.1 die and be forgotten than allow such a project... that's betrayal.
3. Timbo wants 1.1 to die in the dust
1. Tremulous continued development btw, even though they didn't release a version after 8/8/11. They were lacking assets for 1.2 so obviously they can't release it just yet. Also, when did rotacak actually say he'll support it after releasing it? From my point of understanding, his 'support' = shoving the game with a bunch of cvars and bug fixing.
2. You didn't even play tremulous gpp. I doubt you even have tried installing it either.
3. He never claimed that. He just doesn't have the time, or maybe he doesn't care about tremulous 1.1 anymore, but at least he still hosts the trem.net and maybe the mercenaries guild site, and shoved his source up to github since it's more common to host repositories there these days. As far as I have looked, before Yalt got GPP's funko port, I've never seen rotacak share his mod qvms or source with the community despite saying that you actually have to according to the tremulous license (GPL/CC)
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ViruS: I don't get why you care.
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I was going to say the same thing earlier.
Virus, if you really support Timbo and 1.2 so much, they why are you here? It's not because you want to play this game - hell, you said yourself you weren't going to be buying it.
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Nothing of value is gained by reading anything virus types.
We need a forum member blacklist.
On to our beloved granger.
We will miss friend granger with all our hearts.
I'm sure an unofficial "tremulous pack" will be leaked at some point.
Hell, maybe such a pack could be made by rotacak and then be given to someone else to distribute/take credit.
No one has to know if rotacak made it or not. Wink wink.
Friend granger will live on.
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Heh-Heh.
Clever.
(http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k553/TankCrusher210/MMA1_zps8425720e.png)
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I have hopes for this project despite the involvement with money.
I'm actually more neutral than you think, tremulous still goes above unvanquished at the moment. I can't judge T2 yet because the game itself hasn't proved itself good or bad. However the assets for T2 were good.
Honestly funko would be one of my favourite mods if not for my 450 ping and 999 bp.
I'm sure an unofficial "tremulous pack" will be leaked at some point.
The 1.2 assets actually has been leaked somewhere way before Unv started developement, but as far as I've known, Stannum works for Unvanquished now so it doesn't really matter as he made the assets and he approves.
I actually don't like the Unv (1.2's except the dretch and tyrant) aliens although the dretch and tyrant seem o.k. but beyond that I thought T2's models are better.
If the two projects actually merged (too late now) and helped each other, the result would be more awesome than the situation we have now.
Let's just get back on-topic guys.
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I didn't read a single line you wrote virus.
Just leave.
To everyone else:
I'm sad to see most of Rotacak and team's work get thrown in the trash.
I just hope he keeps at it.
Weekly updates would be pretty cool, but that's just a suggestion.
Also, your modeling videos are awesome.
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Weekly updates would be pretty cool, but that's just a suggestion.
We will start to posting updates again, just give us little more time.
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Rotacat can i make models with google sketch up its a 3D designer
1.) Rotacak, not Rotacat
2.) Sketchup is a child's toy
3.) Sketchup files are completely incompatible with Unreal Engine 3, and just about every other engine out there AFAIK.
4.) I found 7 grammatic errors in that sentence. I am disappoint.
Dude stop talking about me with grammar issues when you spelled Disappoint wrong
4.) I found 7 grammatic errors in that sentence. I am disappoint.
Its disappointed
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Dude stop talking about me with grammar issues when you spelled Disappoint wrong
4.) I found 7 grammatic errors in that sentence. I am disappoint.
Its disappointed
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Spelled correctly.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disappoint (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disappoint)
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Pretty sure it IS disappoint.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/son-i-am-disappoint)
Know your facts before you rebut.
EDIT: 4 grammar mistakes in your post. <3
I can do this all day, if you're going to argue.
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4.) I found 7 grammatic errors in that sentence. I am disappoint.
Dude stop talking about me with grammar issues when you spelled Disappoint wrong
Its disappointed
>poor grammar (*it's)
>(why is 'Disappoint" capitalized?
>12 year old detected
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Damn, I forgot that one.
That's 5 errors.
'Dissapoint' should be enclosed with apostrophes like so if you are making a reference to it from a quotation, not capitalized.
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Rotacak.
I know I'm technically gone from Tremulous, but I have to say this.
As a believer in the free market, I think it's a good thing that more than one Tremulous clone is in development at once. So, when Tremulous 2 was announced, I listened, and kept an eye on it. It shows promise. And considering how you've reacted to reasonable requests by the original dev team (along with countless other players who might want to support you), who we can thank for the original game, the countless hours it's entertained us, the in jokes, the Granger Lord Of Firmness (and those plushies you're hopefully going to sell- I want one), and all the effort that goes into maintaining a decently popular game for six years, I just want to say this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2o19_jhhEk#t=3m18s
That is all.
PS: I'm glad to see you're all focusing on important parts of the development process.
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I've already voiced my opinion to the same argument you're making, so for purposes of spam control, I'm linking to it here (http://forum.tremulous2.com/index.php?topic=137.msg2020#msg2020).
Also, this project no longer has any relation to the open-sourced game Tremulous, aside from similar game mechanics. New models, sounds, structures, and name are a result of Timbo's desire to quote 'rather see Tremulous die than see a joke of a remake of it'.
Go back to 1.1 or 1.2 if you're here to complain about Tremulous 2, because these forums are not Tremulous 2 forums anymore.
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You missed my point, and also proved it.
My point isn't what the 1.1 devs have contributed in the past. What is done is done.
My point is that your disrespect towards them, and pretty much everyone that isn't directly involved with the project, is alienating people. And not all of these people are your imagined "haters". Look at me; I wanted to see this project succeed at first, but now, it's obvious that it won't. Nobody is going to want to help you, and you will need all the help you can get from this.
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(http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k553/TankCrusher210/MMD_zpse317c57c.png)
your disrespect towards them
Was not immediately present. I have no respect for Timbo because he pulled out his e-peen, and started being a douche to Rotacak and this project in ways I'm already too tired to quote, cite, and analyze again. Disrespect is exactly like respect: It is only earned.
alienating people
I specifically refer to the douches, haters, and idiots in all of my posts specifically as 'douches', 'haters', and 'idiots'.
That is to say
I do Not refer to all 1.1 and 1.2 players in general as being douches, haters, and idiots. If that really wasn't clear to you, you might want to work on your reading skills.
And not all of these people are your imagined "haters".
I was already very well aware of that fact before you thought it necessary to accuse me of not being well aware of that fact.
Thank you for stating the obvious.
I wanted to see this project succeed at first, but now, it's obvious that it won't.
External link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkup/2009/08/the_health_hazards_of_pessimis.html).
Nobody is going to want to help you, and you will need all the help you can get from this.
Project Unnamed is targeting the general Steam audience, not the group of open-source, F2P, and Linux fans that is the majority of the longterm Tremulous fanbase.
Again, this is no longer Tremulous... Timbo made that very clear. The only sequel to 1.2 will be by Darklegion Development, which is now a defunct entity.
I.E., Tremulous 2 is already cancelled.
You're attacking air. If you are trying to help Tremulous, you should look elsewhere. This site will have nothing to do with Tremulous, as has been made very clear by Timbo. If you're trying to hate on this project because some people here just can't seem to find any significant amount of respect for Tremulous' developers, then you're wasting your time. I, and possibly others here are moving on from Tremulous, to something I'm personally hoping will be much better.
In case I'm still not making my point clear, here's a visual representation:
(http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k553/TankCrusher210/logo3_zpsc13da685.png)
Post something relevant to this project in the future, so I don't waste my time composing a lengthy reply to more spam.
-Machine <3
P.S. This post isn't alienating anybody. It's me being a dick, because you're being an ass. :3
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This site will have nothing to do with Tremulous, as has been made very clear by Timbo.
I don't remember him saying that this project must have nothing to do with tremulous. But that doesn't matter anyway as this project is steering way from it.
P.S. This post isn't alienating anybody. It's me being a dick, because you're being an ass. :3
You probably not know, but I may have a case of actual autism. It hasn't been confirmed because I don't even go to doctors (Money issues, same thing/similar to why I can't buy granger plushies), but my personality is actually very distinctive and caused me to be isolated in reality. Technically I feel alienated because of you. What you said before about me is pretty much "GTFO No one respects you."
You might never know, I may be living in an airport relying on free internet as a homeless person, or even being a person who is 90 years old and doesn't know how or has a fear of using online banking systems.
In Australia, it's "Harmony Week" not that anyone actually cares about it, but basically it means "No matter what the reason, don't start fights or bully anyone."
I have no respect for Timbo because he pulled out his e-peen
Rota disobeyed Timbo's first warning.
Try to think it this way:
-You invented something legendary that you treasure. A small local community enjoys it quite a lot.
-Then someone starts using your ideas "with your consent" (related to the open-source rule from CC) and makes a better version of it. You don't care as long as he doesn't make money from it as you initially didn't, and you spent a lot of your time on the original anyway. (Funko is released as a Tremulous Mod, not a different game nor is sold for a price)
-Then all of the sudden, he reforms on how the product was made, and also made it look really pretty. It still hasn't been confirmed whether it will be successful or not. It also will sell with a price. However he claims to get 100% of the profit and offers you a discount when you get angry at him.
-You warn him with a message saying you may sue him for intellectual theft, and tells him to at least change the name of his product. He argues further on why he should be allowed to sell your modified product with your initial name you gave the original.
-You get fed up and simply tell the local police to give him an official warning.
-A portion of that local community loved him and followed him like loyal disciples, so when he says he'll change the whole thing.
-The community sneers and jeers at him from pulling out his e-peen.
It's not because you want to play this game - hell, you said yourself you weren't going to be buying it.
I never said I never wanted to play the game. I even said I wanted to play the game. It's just I can't buy it, but I never said it was because I wanted to not buy the game.
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I may have a case of actual autism ... I feel alienated
Good to know, but don't use that as an excuse, or as a way to gain pity. I have Asperger syndrome, which is a mild form of autism. Answering your question on a different thread, that is a large part of the reason I spend so much time and care composing many of my forum posts, as well as the reason I sound like a f*king encyclopedia all the time, lol.
What you said before about me is pretty much "GTFO No one respects you."
What we said earlier is simply an expression of strong disagreement with your support of the original Tremulous devs. You have every right to express your opinion on these forums as you see fit, but don't expect anybody to agree with your position just because you may or may not have an autism spectrum disorder. Quite a few people here don't like the Tremulous devs, and are very firm on that position. By defending them here, you are naturally going to attract a lot of heat to yourself. This is not because you have ASD.
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ViruS, are you trying to be fucking annoying?
Or are you really that stupid that you couldn't grasp that Medic wasn't even replying to you?...
If it's the former, fuck off.
If it's the latter, fuck off anyway.
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Hey guys, lets forget about all you have argued about and start again as friends and at least try to act civil towards each other!
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Hey guys, lets forget about all you have argued about and start again as friends and at least try to act civil towards each other!
jhou boulshite!!!1!!
lol I don't even get it why are you making next anger which is inside THIS forum...
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Pazuzu: Do you feel better now? You probably have some problem with me. You should read everything about this case - it is there everywhere, no need to repeat anything but I think you don't even want to know it. If you don't like me or this project, just stay with Tremulous and make fun there.
And btw, that asshole (me) still paying own money for 1.2 server for Tremulous players. And that asshole not earned any evil dollar with Tremulous 2 project (not even with Tremulous 1 - it is allowed btw).
Virus: same here. You can repeat again and again same sentences, but it will not turn them into true. But that does not matter. Moreover true players want to play good game and does not care about these things. If you two want to think that I want to earn money on a Tremulous community or on that name then you should think and read all again. But it is does not matter anymore, think whatewer you want.
And one more thing - you making interesting stories about police. For your information, anyone can report any Kickstarter project for any reason. If you include correct details and your adress and signature they will pause that project. If project owner will do same thing as a reply *, then you need to sue project owner. If you will not sue him, Kickstarter is unpaused after several days. So please limit your fantasies with police.
* project was canceled there.
Last thing - if you two care about stealing boxes from tetris and reusing it in minecraft, you should look at Wreck-It Ralph movie there is a weapon what looks like pulse rifle with sound that sounds like weapons from terminator 2 movie. And there http://media.gamersfirst.com/gamersmedia/apb/img/Weapon_Shaw_Armas_Armas_skins.jpg is also something similar to pulse rifle from game ABP Reloaded. And they making evil money for it! Go!
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Rotacat can i make models with google sketch up its a 3D designer
1.) Rotacak, not Rotacat
2.) Sketchup is a child's toy
3.) Sketchup files are completely incompatible with Unreal Engine 3, and just about every other engine out there AFAIK.
4.) I found 7 grammatic errors in that sentence. I am disappoint.
Guess what I am only 13 years old so don't be asking to much.
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You missed my point, and also proved it.
My point isn't what the 1.1 devs have contributed in the past. What is done is done.
My point is that your disrespect towards them, and pretty much everyone that isn't directly involved with the project, is alienating people. And not all of these people are your imagined "haters". Look at me; I wanted to see this project succeed at first, but now, it's obvious that it won't. Nobody is going to want to help you, and you will need all the help you can get from this.
Dude I'm going to help him and if you just came here to insult our project just go away in the empty Trem forum.
Also our project not going to be a succes like Black Ops 2.
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Man, some people here are real poop-heads.
Lets show Rotacak some love with sexxxy granger pics!
(http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/GLAMEOW/Sexygranger_zps6d899477.png)
Gurgle on that!
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The point is I do get quite offended. I just don't take action. I've even had the admin status of "server owner" or equivalent on multiple servers and never kicked or banned anyone or used an admin command againts anyone specifically.
Was not immediately present. I have no respect for Timbo because he pulled out his e-peen, and started being a douche to Rotacak
All he wanted initially was to change the name. Of course he would get mad if his request wasn't granted. People even mentioned that rota's the one's that is crazy. I'm probably the most "neutral" person you'd find between Trem, Unv, Tz (dead) and "T2." If your argue againts me, well it works just as everywhere else - I argue back. Or try to. Same thing happens on Trem, Unv and Tz(dead) forums that you see here, it's just that too many people try to defend rotacak's past, and Unv sometimes tends to appease people instead in some way.
are you trying to be fucking annoying?
No. I never was. I'm just a persistent person who fails at english yet debates for long periods. My life story is too long and complicated for you to understand nor am I good at explaining.
If it's the former, fuck off.
If it's the latter, fuck off anyway.
I don't get it.
you making interesting stories about police
I never mentioned the police.
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I'm probably the most "neutral" person you'd find between Trem, Unv, Tz (dead) and "T2."
cos you're on all sides :P
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If it's the former, fuck off.
If it's the latter, fuck off anyway.
I don't get it.
You need to better learn the English language then.
A quick Google search of "former vs latter (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=former%20vs%20latter)" should do it.
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Virus probably cares because some of the people here show some very silly hatred towards the people that gave them Tremulous.
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Virus probably cares because some of the people here show some very silly hatred towards the people that gave them Tremulous.
err... how do I answer this...
This is how I see "everyone/world" as several groups related to trem:
-Most 1.1 players think gpp is shit, or doesn't know it exists and is quite one-sided
-Most gpp players think 1.1 is outdated and is shit, or doesn't know 1.1 existed and is quite one-sided
-Unvanquished doesn't care, paired up with Xonotic [another open-source fast-paced shooter game] despite not contributing to each other
-Tremulous 2 (nametobechanged) community hates the above
-Tremulous 2 (nametobechanged) is quite one-sided
-NS(2) community thinks the above copied them despite a wiki stating they didn't
-Timbo doesn't care unless someone tries to make money from his ideas
-Volt couldn't take it anymore, some people miss him for his pre-Tz past
-Aussie Assault community likes 1.1 over others generally (hates gpp, doesn't like unv balance, doesn't care about T2 (nametobechanged))
-/D/HC sees rotacak as a person who when crazy when timbo threw a tantrum at him
-All except NS2 and unrelated "loves" grangers
-Others think tremulous is a reeeaaaally outdated game and cbf playing it saying its shit, with its box guns and shit.
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OT:
actually can horses read?
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OT:
actually can horses read?
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Wow, I've been inactive for a couple weeks and have missed...nothing.
But anyway.
Full power to Rotacak and his Amazing Team of Those-With-Czech-Names-That-Are Too-Hard-to-Spell + Nalf. :)